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ILLOGICAL POSITION

Postby observer » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:08 am

Much that is written about the Cyprus problem is illogical, being based on passion rather than logic. One aspect, however, has always struck me as exceptionally illogical and I’d be grateful if someone could attempt to give it a veneer of logic.

On the one hand, the GC government – and as the GC people have elected them, it has to be assumed the majority of the GC people – profess to love their TC neighbours, have always done so, and, if the rest of the world stopped interfering in Cyprus, would love to join hands in brotherly love. So the GC government uses every forum, and every opportunity to ensure that the severest trade and travel sanctions are imposed on N. Cyprus where the TCs live.

On the other hand, the GC government never ceases to portray the Turks as brutal occupiers, frequently characterizing the TCs as victims in their own country. Yet at every EU forum and at every opportunity the GC government calls for Turkey to open its ports and airports to GC carriers, presumably so that they can trade with and travel to Turkey.

It strikes me as being not unlike Britain, during WW2, wanting to trade with Nazi Germany while blockading occupied France.
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Re: ILLOGICAL POSITION

Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:21 am

observer wrote:Much that is written about the Cyprus problem is illogical, being based on passion rather than logic. One aspect, however, has always struck me as exceptionally illogical and I’d be grateful if someone could attempt to give it a veneer of logic.

On the one hand, the GC government – and as the GC people have elected them, it has to be assumed the majority of the GC people – profess to love their TC neighbours, have always done so, and, if the rest of the world stopped interfering in Cyprus, would love to join hands in brotherly love. So the GC government uses every forum, and every opportunity to ensure that the severest trade and travel sanctions are imposed on N. Cyprus where the TCs live.

On the other hand, the GC government never ceases to portray the Turks as brutal occupiers, frequently characterizing the TCs as victims in their own country. Yet at every EU forum and at every opportunity the GC government calls for Turkey to open its ports and airports to GC carriers, presumably so that they can trade with and travel to Turkey.

It strikes me as being not unlike Britain, during WW2, wanting to trade with Nazi Germany while blockading occupied France.


The blockage of the north is done against the illegal "TRNC" that claims to be the government of this part of Cyprus, and not against the TC citizens of the RoC, as such. If this was the case, then the TCs wouldn't be allowed to cross south and work, trade, do shopping, etc, etc.

What the TC leadership wants us to do is to allow the illegal and secessionist "TRNC" to open the ports and airports in the north, under its authority and control, even though those ports are under the sovereignty of the RoC. When we tell them that we can do so only under the control and authority of the legal entity of the country, the RoC, they and Turkey pop up and say they do not accept such a deal. So, who is the one punishing the TCs, the RoC or Turkey and their leadership?

I hope you now understand better where the problem lies.
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:27 am

Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:31 am

zan wrote:Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.


Of cource Talat is allowed to cross over and do shopping! Any time!

Recognised the "TRNC!" What a proposal! What a solution!
You are a joke my friend! You are a joke indeed!
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:04 pm

Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.


Of cource Talat is allowed to cross over and do shopping! Any time!

Recognised the "TRNC!" What a proposal! What a solution!
You are a joke my friend! You are a joke indeed!


So you trust Talat and you trust the TCs but you keep blaming Turkey for getting in the way. Recognise the people you trust and not punishing for anything to get Turkey out of the way and then we can talk as freinds about unification. Or are you saying that you do not trust us and that is why we are being punished. You cannot have it both ways.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:16 pm

zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.


Of cource Talat is allowed to cross over and do shopping! Any time!

Recognised the "TRNC!" What a proposal! What a solution!
You are a joke my friend! You are a joke indeed!


So you trust Talat and you trust the TCs but you keep blaming Turkey for getting in the way. Recognise the people you trust and not punishing for anything to get Turkey out of the way and then we can talk as freinds about unification. Or are you saying that you do not trust us and that is why we are being punished. You cannot have it both ways.


What do you mean by "recognize the people?" Of course we recognize the TCs, both as human beings, as citizens of the RoC, and as a community of the people of Cyprus under the RoC constitution! Who said to you that we do not recognize them?
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:20 pm

Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.


Of cource Talat is allowed to cross over and do shopping! Any time!

Recognised the "TRNC!" What a proposal! What a solution!
You are a joke my friend! You are a joke indeed!


So you trust Talat and you trust the TCs but you keep blaming Turkey for getting in the way. Recognise the people you trust and not punishing for anything to get Turkey out of the way and then we can talk as freinds about unification. Or are you saying that you do not trust us and that is why we are being punished. You cannot have it both ways.


What do you mean by "recognize the people?" Of course we recognize the TCs, both as human beings, as citizens of the RoC, and as a community of the people of Cyprus under the RoC constitution! Who said to you that we do not recognize them?


You know what I mean Kifeas. Stop playing silly buggers. Turkey cannot be cancelled out with the TRNC being recognised.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:23 pm

zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:Would Talat be allowed to pop over the boarder to do some shopping????


If Turkey is your problem then recognise the TRNC and then you can talk directly to them. The RoC are punishing the TCs to get at Turkey. A double whammy.


Of cource Talat is allowed to cross over and do shopping! Any time!

Recognised the "TRNC!" What a proposal! What a solution!
You are a joke my friend! You are a joke indeed!


So you trust Talat and you trust the TCs but you keep blaming Turkey for getting in the way. Recognise the people you trust and not punishing for anything to get Turkey out of the way and then we can talk as freinds about unification. Or are you saying that you do not trust us and that is why we are being punished. You cannot have it both ways.


What do you mean by "recognize the people?" Of course we recognize the TCs, both as human beings, as citizens of the RoC, and as a community of the people of Cyprus under the RoC constitution! Who said to you that we do not recognize them?


You know what I mean Kifeas. Stop playing silly buggers. Turkey cannot be cancelled out with the TRNC being recognised.


No I do not know what you mean!
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:32 pm

If -Turkey- is- your -problem- then- recognise- the -TRNC- and -then -you -can -talk -directly- to -them.

Is that better?
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:56 pm

zan wrote:If -Turkey- is- your -problem- then- recognise- the -TRNC- and -then -you -can -talk -directly- to -them.

Is that better?


You mean the RoC to recognize the “TRNC?”

Do you realize what it means for the RoC and the GC community to recognize the “TRNC?” I suppose you do not?

And why should we recognize the “TRNC” so that we can talk directly to the “TRNC?” Who told you that we are interested in talking, either directly or indirectly to the “TRNC?” We are only interested in talking with the TCs and their community leadership, and with Turkey as the occupying country of a part of Cyprus! For what possible reason should we talk to the “TRNC,” an illegal and arbitrary occupational regime that claims its “existence” on a territory sovereignly belonging to the RoC -under international law and the UN Charter?
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