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Dunno if this has been suggested before....

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Doable?

Yes
2
33%
No
1
17%
Doable with some amendments (post below)
3
50%
 
Total votes : 6

Dunno if this has been suggested before....

Postby G.Man » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:13 pm

A possible way forward... ????

Why would it not be possible to have 2 states within the RoC... like england and scotland..

Say the north has its own local govt, and the south its own local govt... both report into a central govt but are responsible for issues that dominate "their" people... The central govt would be comprised 50:50 of members from both administrative states.

The green line is abolished and only its location to serve as the boundary of the 2 states...

Pre-1974 land ownership is honoured in terms of the ability to sell or occupy the land but I would hazard a guess that the administration of each side would remain predominantly TC in the north and GC in the south...

That way, those that choose to return to the land they owned can do, albeit under local tc/gc control... or they can sell/exchange the land between the 2 states...

Turkish army would have to go, and the cyprus army would be comprised of both TC's and GC's, not through conscription, but a proper professional army!

The sovereign bases should either go, or be asked to pay a fair market rent for the land they occupy... this is the RoC now, not a British Colony...

Cyprus should apply for an EU grant of funds to facilitate the expense of reunification and conversion of the TRNC economy to the Cyprus Pound or Euro...

The final issue is that of the Turkish Mainland settlers..

I havent a good proposal for that, either they stay or go, but if they stay, they again should pay a fair market rent for any GC land they occupy IF the landowners agree to this... Otherwise it is for the Turkish govt to reorganise their repatriation like they did the first time!

Is it doable? Is it a possible way forward without full segregation? Could all cypriots agree to such a proposal? Am I as naive as I appear? :lol:
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Postby Sotos » Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:21 pm

I think it will come down to %. TCs are 18%. If they keep 18% of land and 18% power in the central government then it will be doable. How many are the Scottish? Are 50% of the UK parliament Scottish?
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:02 am

i would say the gcs would accept any system of any other country
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Postby G.Man » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:20 am

Sotos wrote:I think it will come down to %. TCs are 18%. If they keep 18% of land and 18% power in the central government then it will be doable. How many are the Scottish? Are 50% of the UK parliament Scottish?


They will only keep land they own, or that which they receive in land exchanges...

The Scottish have their own parliament, but they also report into central government...

The Scottish parliament deals with Scottish issues.. for english, welsh and scots that live in scotland...

I dont know how all the lojistics work, but i think its a way forward from what you have now..
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:45 am

hey will only keep land they own, or that which they receive in land exchanges...

There were no land exchanges. The land TCs own is spread all over Cyprus, just like the land that GCs own. This is quite unlike Scotland were the Sotish people own most of the land there.
If we base the two states based on what people own, then the TCs will end up having several small cantons spread all over Cyprus. I am sure they wouldn't like that.
What can be done is some exchange of land, but this should of course be done in legal and fair way. You can't exchange 1 acre of land next to the beach in Kerynia, with 1 acre of land in the middle of nowhere. Also you can't exchange 1 acre of land with 100 acres of land. Any such exchange should be fair, which means the TC state can not be more than 18% of the island and can not cover more than 18% of the coast.

Another difference with the case of Scotland, is that the Scotland is the homeland of the Scottish, and England the homeland of the English. In the case of Cyprus all Cyprus is the homeland of both GCs and TCs. Therefore in the north part of Cyprus we could have a "northern state" made up by a majority of TCs (and therefore TCs will run it) and a "southern state" with GC majority, but we can not have a "Turkish state" since that part of Cyprus is no less Greek than it is Turkish and that would make Greek Cypriots of lets say Kerynia, foreigners in their own country.
If you remember the TCs did not accept that Cyprus is called "Hellenic Cypriot Republic" because GCs are the majority, in the same way Greek Cypriots would not accept their homeland to be called Turkish. Both states should therefore be Cypriot states, not Greek or Turkish.

Beyond these issues, gcs would accept the system of any other democratic EU country, and this includes UK.
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Postby G.Man » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:28 am

Piratis, my intention was for everything you say...

I wouldnt have planned Greek or Turkish to be used in any state name, simply North and South Cyprus would be fine and everybody would understand that...

Land exchanges could not be forced they would have to be amicable to both parties exchanging... however, the Central Govt could run a pool of all the land that wishes to be exchanged and make sure that the land each party recieves was comparable in value which I believe is the key... ie 10 acres of Agri land could be exchanged for 1/2 acre of building land if both parties agreed, in the same way as both parties could sell such land and buy land of the same value...

Maybe I should be the Next GC of the UN... lol

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Postby Sotos » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:21 pm

Maybe I should be the Next GC of the UN... lol

Trying convincing the Turks first. Then maybe you will change your mind ;)
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Postby G.Man » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:50 pm

Yes there does seem to be an absence of any TC responses here...

hey ho..

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Postby Sotos » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:29 pm

G.Man wrote:Yes there does seem to be an absence of any TC responses here...

hey ho..

:lol:


I am not surprised. The TCs of this forum that participate a lot have admitted that they want partition. Thats why there is rarely any constructive dialog. Some people don't want anything constructive. They want to prove that GCs and TCs hate each other and should stay separate :(
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