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Postby erolz » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:46 am

MicAtCyp wrote: Have won?! How? Use the right words Erol. Granted, donated, gifted, (all these are the right words) ALL on the expense of the dirty GC dogs who dared fight against her Majesty for their freedom. I would really be ashamed if I were you to say "I won those rights". By the way do you know that the vast majority of the TCs are not ashamed to repeat it all the time and to excpect even more rights today?


This is all so pointless :(

TC did not 'win' their rights in 1960? They did not argue their case in UN and to the UK. Are all rights the TC secure only 'gifts'? Is the only way to 'win' something through bloodshed and murder? Did we 'win' the North of the island in 74?
It was just a word and you have gone 'crazy' over it's use. The fact is TC had rights under the 1960 agreements. Whether they were 'won' or 'gifted' (and course everybody knows the world just loves to give to TC and take from GC), they were rights achieved legaly through negotiation and not through murder and killing.

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Have you seen the effects of a real embargo yourself? if not I suggest you have a look at the embargo on medicines and everyday supplies to Iraq.


Or perhaps I should look at the embargoes the GC put on TC enclaves in period 63 onwards?
Have you seen what a 'real' refugee looks like?
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Postby brother » Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:45 pm

None of us are able to talk without splitting hairs over one word, we all have our preconcieved ideas and to part brainwashing from respective so called motherlands, i doubt we can negotiate like true humans but please prove me wrong.
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Another Idea

Postby magikthrill » Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:35 pm

I was thinking of a way where the 20% minority can have a 50% share in power that would be more acceptbale to people like me (who find it completely unfair and ridiculous)

what if the new constitutino of the RoC gave specific governmental to TCs and GCs for say 100 years where the power could be shared equally. And after this time period all the Cypriots citizens would get to vote for their leaders (ie if a TC is more competent than a GC he/she should be the leader of the nation)

what does everyone think about that?
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Postby brother » Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:01 pm

Worthy of a discussion.

It would give the cypriot people time to be one community rather than two and be able to vote on ability rather than language, religion etc.
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Postby magikthrill » Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:44 pm

EXACTLY!

that is the sole basis of my "proposal" as well.

wow who would've thought we'd actually agree on something brother :)
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Postby brother » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:07 pm

As long as we keep putting rational ideas forward there is no reason one up one down we can not always agree.

Keep the good ideas rolling :D
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Postby MicAtCyp » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:32 am

Words are essensial Erol. You can realise how essensial they are by considering the fact that the majority of the TCs TODAY want even more rights than what they were gifted in 1960.Terms and words tend to be drilling deep into peoples understanding. The problem is that those rights were exceeding by far what they should have, and the greatest problem was they were deducted from others.

Our discussion was about the so called embargo remember? Why do you divert it to the issue of refugees? And yes for your information I ‘ve seen both the TC refugees of 1963 and the GC refugees of 1974. They were both real. Did I ever compare the two and said the ones were suffering more and the others less?
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Postby erolz » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:12 am

MicAtCyp wrote: Words are essensial Erol. You can realise how essensial they are by considering the fact that the majority of the TCs TODAY want even more rights than what they were gifted in 1960.


Words are important. Yet you continue to insist that all the rights we had under _the agreed and negotiated_ 1960 agreements were just 'gifts'. If they were gifts who was the giver?

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Our discussion was about the so called embargo remember? Why do you divert it to the issue of refugees? And yes for your information I ‘ve seen both the TC refugees of 1963 and the GC refugees of 1974. They were both real. Did I ever compare the two and said the ones were suffering more and the others less?


I refer to the GC's talking about there being x hundred thousand refugees today, as a comparison to your explaination that embargoes on TC are not 'real' embargoes like thoese that were imposed against Iraq. Your refugees TODAY then are not like 'real' refugees, compared with Iraq refugess, living in tents, with no permancy, normality or security (or like the 'real' refugees that TC were from 63). You want it both ways. You want to pick me up on the use of the term embargo in relation to NC, yet will happily use 'refugee' for GC today withou apparrently seeing any conflict or contradiction at all. Like I said before this is all pointless, in fact it is worse than pointless because it no only gets us nowhere, it just moves us backwards.
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Postby uzan » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:53 am

insan wrote:
Insan, what we ask for is Democracy and human rights. When you say about "Hellenization" of Cyprus do you mean that Democracy and human rights are Greek values and not part of the Turkish culture and this is why applying such values will mean the "Hellenization" of Cyprus?


If your democrasy understanding is just a disguised extermination plan like Akritas; we don't need that crap, piratis.
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No do not believe DeMOCRACY and HUMAN RIGHTS are GREEK values.If it was why 1963-1967-1974.
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Postby boulio » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:25 am

has anyone in cyprus every done a case study or gallop poll to see what the people actually want?Im a greek-american living in the states and work with GC'S and many of them have expressed to me that a viable solution would actually be full partion between the communities especially from the youger generation,im sure turkey would jump at the chance with large concesions of land to the ROC IN return for diplomatic recogniton of the "trnc".
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