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Postby zan » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:49 am

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"trnc" is an illegal pseudo puppet state created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population from the now occupied part of Republic of Cyprus.


TRNC may (or may not) be all of the above, but its government (or community leadership if you prefer) is certainly elected democratically.

My point, however, concerned the political leaders on both sides of the line who flourish their Greekness or their Turkishness instead of their Cypriotness. As the leaders are elected by the people. it follows that the majority of the electorate in Cyprus share this view too. So, too many GCs and TCs, not enough Cs.

Miltiades' makes a good point when he says:

It is time that the politicians of Cyprus adopt a brave position and promote what they are after all universally recognised as Cypriot politicians. The church , the mosques have a lot to answer for. Schools that totaly reject the Cypriot identity by promoting foreign entities.


I am afraid there is a great sticking point even in the Cyprus for Cypriots argument. Although I fully agree in the ideology of that statement the problem is still the extraction of the vast majority of Greekness in Cypriotness. You really have to look at how much the TCs will have to give up and how much more they will have to be indoctrinated into. Why not ask them to also become Christians. It is noo less than asking them to become Greek.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:17 am

TRNC may (or may not) be all of the above, but its government (or community leadership if you prefer) is certainly elected democratically.

The question is: It is elected by whom to represent what?

That leadership can definitely not represented the area under current occupation, since that area is the homeland of much more GCs than TCs, and those GCs never voted for that leadership.

Also that leadership can not effectively represent the TC community since a huge percentage (around 50%) of the voters are not TCs but Turkish mainland settlers.

Even the name they choose for their puppet state is "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus". Turkish, not Turkish Cypriot.

The "trnc" leadership represents illegality and nothing more than that.

The Turks are trying to remove not just everything Greek from northern occupied Cyprus, but everything Cypriot as well. They want to make that part of Cyprus Turkish and this is indicated by the name they gave to their puppet state and by the 10000s of Settlers that they import from Turkey that have as an aim to replace or at least weaken to a great degree the Cypriot identity in the now occupied Cyprus.

Therefore expecting anything from the Cypriotness of the "leadership" in occupied Cyprus is a waste of time as the ones who pull their strings are based in Ankara and they have as their only intention to Turkify the northern part of our country.
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Postby zan » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:20 am

And the RoC represents an UNJUST LEGALITY.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:29 am

zan wrote:And the RoC represents an UNJUST LEGALITY.


RoC represents the island of Cyprus. What is "unjust" about this? That Turks are trying to brake RoC apart and naturally RoC is trying to defend its own sovereignty against the invaders?

Most of the true TCs that remain in the occupied areas of RoC do have RoC passports and IDs. What is stopping RoC from functioning the way it should is nothing else than the illegal Turkish occupation.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:35 pm

zan wrote:And the RoC represents an UNJUST LEGALITY.

not when turkey desperately wants that crucial vote :lol:

i bet deep down you and that other one, oh yeah VP, are shit scared of turkey annexing the occupied territories. because you know what it will be like. don't believe me? look around coz turkey ain't ankara, izmir and istabul.
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Postby observer » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:04 pm

The question is: It is elected by whom to represent what?


Elected by the people who live there to represent them.

That leadership can definitely not represented the area under current occupation



RoC represents the island of Cyprus


I don't think that it possible for land to vote or be a representative, only people.

The business about settlers is also a load of nonsense. South Cyprus has absorbed a huge number of settlers; they are just called ex-pats, some of whom have taken out citizenship, and the EU settlers can also vote in local elections and, I think, EU elections too.

10000s of Settlers that they import from Turkey


People are not 'imported'. I believe controls may have been lax in the past, when Turkish citizens could travel to TRNC using an ID card. Now, however, they require passports and residence/work visas just like citizens of any other country. Yes, a number of Turkish people have settled in Cyprus for a variety of reasons - work, retirement to a pleasant climate etc. - but the same is true of foreigners settling in South Cyprus.
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Postby EUropean666 » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:19 pm

mrfromng wrote:They have no shame. They are the scum of the earth. a christians club who have repeatedly stabbed us in the back and will continue to do so.

Turkey should suspend all talks with the EU until they fulfill all promises made to the TC's at the time of the referendum.


Can you give me an evidence of those promises? Any paper or EU directive?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:48 pm

Elected by the people who live there to represent them.


40.000 Turkish troops that live there along with 10s of thousands of illegal settlers. Why should these foreigners that are in Cyprus illegally have any say about our island just because they live here? They are the invaders and solving the Cyprus problem includes their removal. Unless of course for you the Cyprus problem is the problem of Turkey entering the EU, and not the illegal occupation, the Turkish troops, and the settlers.

I don't think that it possible for land to vote or be a representative, only people.

Yes, but those people claim they represent the northern part of Cyprus, which is totally false. They do not.

The business about settlers is also a load of nonsense. South Cyprus has absorbed a huge number of settlers; they are just called ex-pats, some of whom have taken out citizenship, and the EU settlers can also vote in local elections and, I think, EU elections too.

Ex-pats and other EU citizens are in Cyprus legally as foreigners. They do not vote for parliamentary or presidential elections and therefore they have no say in the policies of RoC regarding the Cyprus problem.

Please don't confuse these foreigners, who make up about 5% of the population in southern Cyprus, with the Turkish settlers who came to Cyprus illegally and are about the 50% in occupied north and have as much say as the TCs do when electing that leadership.

An equivalent would be if 350.000 Sri Lankees were coming to the free areas illegally, they were then given the homes and properties of TCs and they were allowed to vote and determine the policy of RoC.

So please don't confuse totally unequal things. Turkey brought the settlers in Cyprus as yet another way to control the occupied areas, to change the demographics and to Turkify the north part of our island by removing everything Greek and Cypriot from it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:02 pm

If that were the case and the settlers had the ability to elect a leader from within themselves then they would have done so at the last elections, their party only got 2% of the vote. Your fear in that they have great voting strength in the north is unfounded but if you continue to faff around with finding a solution 2% in 32 years they only need another 800 years to get over 50% :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:12 pm

How much a party received is not relevant. What is relevant is that settlers have 50% of the voting power. No government can be elected without their support.

The fact that the settlers vote the other parties and not just a special "settler" party, indicates that those other parties also serve their interests, and how could it be otherwise when Ankara moves the strings and the "leaders" in the occupied north just dance to Ankaras tune?

Imagine a TC party that didn't serve the interests of the settlers and Ankara, and accepted that settlers should be removed from Cyprus. Without the support of the settlers such party would never become this "leadership".
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