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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:11 am

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viewpoint the difference is that we consider you part of us the Cypriot people of Cyprus however you want to separate yourselves and see us as the other.


We have been separated for over 32 years, what do you expect we have never been made to feel part of the "RoC" and we do not feel it belongs to us. We are the TRNC even with all its faults and until we are faced with situation that is better than what we have today no TCs will see us as one nation. This is a reality you have to some to terms with. The we are all Cypriots ideology today is like 46 years to late and in order for it to gain ground actions to create such a situation are necessary, just saying it doesn't make it true.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:53 am

Viewpoint wrote:humanist
viewpoint the difference is that we consider you part of us the Cypriot people of Cyprus however you want to separate yourselves and see us as the other.


We have been separated for over 32 years, what do you expect we have never been made to feel part of the "RoC" and we do not feel it belongs to us. We are the TRNC even with all its faults and until we are faced with situation that is better than what we have today no TCs will see us as one nation. This is a reality you have to some to terms with. The we are all Cypriots ideology today is like 46 years to late and in order for it to gain ground actions to create such a situation are necessary, just saying it doesn't make it true.

VP you are repeating the same sentences too much

you cut and pasted the shit out of your current manual, and its starting to show.

better get the new manual from your handlers...edition 10,002
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:57 am

pitsilos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:humanist
viewpoint the difference is that we consider you part of us the Cypriot people of Cyprus however you want to separate yourselves and see us as the other.


We have been separated for over 32 years, what do you expect we have never been made to feel part of the "RoC" and we do not feel it belongs to us. We are the TRNC even with all its faults and until we are faced with situation that is better than what we have today no TCs will see us as one nation. This is a reality you have to some to terms with. The we are all Cypriots ideology today is like 46 years to late and in order for it to gain ground actions to create such a situation are necessary, just saying it doesn't make it true.

VP you are repeating the same sentences too much

you cut and pasted the shit out of your current manual, and its starting to show.

better get the new manual from your handlers...edition 10,002


Which sentences didnt you like Pits? the ones that ring true :lol:
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:56 pm

are we on the first page of instrustion manual 10,002?. denial of the question is this the responce on the first page?

oh vp where did i say i didn't like?

i only said you are repeating the same materail due to extra heavy duty use of the cut&paste function.

i just wonder if this function wasn't available what would have done?

anyway good to see you are starting afresh from page 1, and 1026 pages to go. :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:32 pm

pitsilos wrote:are we on the first page of instrustion manual 10,002?. denial of the question is this the responce on the first page?

oh vp where did i say i didn't like?

i only said you are repeating the same materail due to extra heavy duty use of the cut&paste function.

i just wonder if this function wasn't available what would have done?

anyway good to see you are starting afresh from page 1, and 1026 pages to go. :lol:


You are talking a lot of rubbish. :shock:
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:15 pm

i hear you, its a new manual :lol:

look at page 532 of your manual, paragraph 3, part 7, sentence 2 and there is your responce to my post :lol:

see i also care about you, neighbour :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:21 pm

pitsilos wrote:i hear you, its a new manual :lol:

look at page 532 of your manual, paragraph 3, part 7, sentence 2 and there is your responce to my post :lol:

see i also care about you, neighbour :lol:


Thank you...

Predictable answers for predictable and untrustworthy people :wink:
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:37 pm

I see you used the generic answers section of the manual. wise choice
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Postby lupusdiavoli » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:16 pm

It was mentionned, that Cypriots consist one nation. This is the kind of argument which is based nowhere. It takes a lot to analyse the content of the meaning of a nation. What r the fundamental elemens of a nation etc. He who prefers this kind of unrealistic arguments has certainly every right to keep doing this.

The unified argument could find a better standing in the legal language or terminolgy, meaning that Cyprus, at least pursant with the Constitution og 1960 was or is supposed to be one State. The meaning of State from the meaning of Nation differs.

Nevertheless even the regime of 1960 and the following agreements speak and verify the existence of two -at least- different communities based on the ethnic origin. This is reality, both legal and otherwise.

Cetrainly the ideas of creating a new national identity are to be found to the leftish texts. Reasonable it was for states consisted primarily from people of different ethnic source to think that by inventing a new identity that supposively would dominate the old existing and usually cover with blood could lead to harmony.

Wishfull thinking, but a total failure as history and experience can show. Just think about Soviet Union and all the similar regimes.

Humanist,

Fine. Nevertheless have in mind that war, violence, death etc still exist. Philosophical views? Well originally it is the Greeks who speak for harmony, peace, a unified world and later the Europeans for the everlasting peace. It is just a dream, the utopia as I said from the start.

The reality proves to be the opposite. I call for verification of my argument centuries of bloody history.

The reality of Cyprus? Well given that the GC may accept their defeat a solution may arise. Some are willing to accept it, some not, some are full of fear for the unknown, some want to have the control of the new state and so on.

The TC? Well they have the advantage of Turkey, the reality on the ground, the factor of the time passing on their favour, the written agreements, the benefit of power because of Turkey etc. They could agree if a soluion could consider all these advantages and if these were reflected to the new regime.

That is exactly what the majority of the GC could not accept. So, like Piratis they are willing to wait the turn of the tide. It is an attitude. It is acceptable and risky. The one who is not ready to compromise refusing to see the reality will probably pay the price tomorrow.
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Postby lupusdiavoli » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:23 pm

Humanist,

I come again just to point that by refering or just differing the people of Cyprus with regard to their spoken language minimises the matter. Do u think that it is simply a matter of the echo of the words?

Beware, language is something more. It carries more things than ordinary people can imagine. It is a part of your identity unless the whole issue, that is the language, means nothing to u.

However is among the elements that most differentiate people. On the opposite it can bring together people as a code of fast communication if eg. the same words carry the same meaning for people respectively. It is obvious that even poeple speaking the same language can hardly, quite often, come to an understanding.

Would u like an example?

Take the word "invasion"... Ask GC and TC about it... Or one which used to be among the most favorites of your compatriots, that is "enosis". The latter still exists, with the different meaning. Today they want to unify the divided island. Time even changes the meaning of a simple word.

There are however words with the same meaning eg. war, death, violence. That is why they belong to the very nature of the human being. They r totally human. May be the everlasting peace is unhuman. And after all who defines what is human. Whether something like humanity exist is wuestionable also. Who can speak on the name of humanity after all?
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