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Some links to UK news reports of the EU summit

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Postby erolz » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:49 pm

and here is some for the Cyprus mail

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 2&cat_id=1

Papadopoulos knows that he now faces the likelihood of a revamped Annan plan, with some gestures towards the Greek Cypriots but not the fundamental overhaul towards a ‘European solution’ envisaged in his emotional address to the people before the referendum. The only other option is a fundamental rethink, but not of the kind the population has been fed, with the reintegration of the Turkish Cypriots into the Republic of Cyprus under a ‘minority-plus’ status; rather a more ‘functional’, ‘cleaner’ settlement, where the separation is greater rather than less.

These are unpalatable options for a government that has set itself up as the standard-bearer of a ‘just’ solution, yet it must prepare for the new diplomatic onslaught that is now likely to be unleashed. It must know that if it is seen to blame for a second failed peace initiative in as many years, it is not just Turkey that will question the legitimacy and credibility of the Republic of Cyprus as legal government of the whole island, but also our European partners.


Which I have to say is an opinion that pretty much mirrors my own 'assesment' of the situation post summit.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 9&cat_id=1

and finally a slightly less 'serious' article. Piratis (this is supposed to be a 'humourus 'dig' - if you find it offensive sincere appologies in advance) maybe you would like to make a bid?

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 0&cat_id=1
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Postby BigDutch » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:33 pm

Playing devil's advocate ...

What is Kissingers decision to not stop the Turkish invasion was just part of this big world-order where USA knew that the EU would grow into a super-power, that Turkey would be on the outskirts, that Cyprus would be in it, that EU would not want islam "in", that Cyprus would be a useful pawn to get Turkey "in" to the club ?!

All so that USA can sit easier knowing that its key world opponent has in its membership an islamic country that USA calls its "ally" ? Whilst USA kicks other islamic countries around getting what it needs !!

Does anyone know the date that

a) Cyprus "applied" for EU membership
b) Greece "applied" for EU membership
c) Turkey "applied" for EU membership
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Postby erolz » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:44 pm

BigDutch wrote:Playing devil's advocate ...

What is Kissingers decision to not stop the Turkish invasion was just part of this big world-order where USA knew that the EU would grow into a super-power, that Turkey would be on the outskirts, that Cyprus would be in it, that EU would not want islam "in", that Cyprus would be a useful pawn to get Turkey "in" to the club ?!


???

Not sure I follow your reasoning here?

BigDutch wrote:All so that USA can sit easier knowing that its key world opponent has in its membership an islamic country that USA calls its "ally" ? Whilst USA kicks other islamic countries around getting what it needs !!


Still not with you ?

BigDutch wrote:
Does anyone know the date that

a) Cyprus "applied" for EU membership
b) Greece "applied" for EU membership
c) Turkey "applied" for EU membership


The offical dates for application of membership to the EU are

Cyprus 03-07-1990
Turkey 14-04-1987

( source http://europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/negotiations/ )

Greece 12-07-1975

(soucre http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/con ... article=50 )

Dates that accesession was achived

Greece - 1981
Cyprus - 2004

(source http://www.europa.admin.ch/eu/expl/staaten/e/ )
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Postby brother » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:04 pm

Are all the GC waking up how tassos lead you down the river.
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Postby michalis5354 » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:47 pm

Reading also some articles on this submit Turkey gave a negative impression on many EU leaders as they never expected to behave in such a cheap way - Obvioulsy this is not the way EU operates.One EU leader question the ability of Turkey to proceed with further negotiations as long as the Cyprus issue is unresolved this is a positive remark . Another EU officer refered to Erdogan with a negatice comment described as carpet negotiator. Obviously gave to the EU the picture of Turkey right now! And this is a cost that can not be ignored :!:

This is positive :as Turkey can not continue with such policies unchanged!
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Postby brother » Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:12 pm

They are changing into something better one hopes.
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:28 am

If you think GC's will ever back a federal system your in space.

While people like me who are living in the wild out back of Northern Territory ,Australia you can bet we will keep voting down crap until our families are allowed to go home. P.S. you shouldn't have destroyed my grandmothers grave and the cemetary at Agios Amvrosios( you now call it Esenteppe) becuase now lunatics like me have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Ah-Ah -AH (you know ......like tarzan)
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Postby erolz » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:00 pm

Agios Amvrosios wrote:P.S. you shouldn't have destroyed my grandmothers grave and the cemetary at Agios Amvrosios( you now call it Esenteppe) becuase now lunatics like me have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Ah-Ah -AH (you know ......like tarzan)


P.S. you should not have killed my uncle* and hidden his body in a 'grave' that my family still does not know where it is perhaps? If you have nothing to lose because of what happened to your dead grandmothers grave then how little do I have to lose because you (GC) killed my uncle and now we do not even know where the grave is - let alone what state it is in. This is a route to madness and continued pain and suffering for Cypriots. Personaly I would prefer a better solution.

* see here for more info
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1
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Postby cannedmoose » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:58 pm

Erolz, Agios Amvrosios is a prime example of those GC's who feel that they have a monopoly on grief. However, you will find that there are many more who recognise the suffering endured by TC's as well. My GC wife's uncle was also missing for almost 30 years, since July 22, 1974. Ultimately we found that the RoC government had known the whereabouts of his remains for almost as long, without informing the family as his inclusion on the list of the 1,619 missing was solid propaganda value. On a recent trip to Cyprus, we met with a TC friend whose uncle disappeared in 1963 and is still declared missing. In discussing this, it hit home to both of them that all sides share in grief and suffering and it is pointless to carry on with this 'sole victim' complex that hardliners on both sides cling to.

As a result, I find the 'missing' list for both sides rather misleading. These people were casualties of war, they are in all probability long dead. Their families should not be held hostage to this fact any longer.

Agios Amvrosios obviously has issues and that's probably related to being so far away. I doubt he's been to Cyprus, or has ever sat down and talked with any of his TC brothers. If he did, I think he'd appreciate how antiquated his views are.
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