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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:01 pm

On one hand you say you had no army and at the same time you say that even your own uncle was a paramilitary. Sure, I could also say that the crimes committed by GCs at that time was just for defense, but if I do that then I would be just one sided as you are.

Turks are among the top in propaganda, especially recently. What do you call the huge flag drawn on Pentadaktilos? They are even trying to pass their propaganda to the aliens apparently!

200.000 people, all from a certain ethnicity, were forced at gun point to abandon their homes and they were not allowed to return. This is called ethnic cleansing, text book case.

The intercommunal conflict where some 100s of both GCs and TCs lost their lives was between 1963 and 1968. If you want to call those 100s of TCs that died over a period of 5 years as a "genocide", then you have to call the equal number of GCs that died as genocide as well, unless of course the Turkish lives worth more, were GCs can be butchered by the thousands without a problem. Like you could kill 1.5 million Armenians and that was not a genocide, but some 100s of TCs is genocide :roll:

The Turkish invasion happened in 1974, 6 years after the intercommunal conflict was over and it had nothing to do with it. The excuse for the invasion was the coup. In fact no TC was harmed in 1974 until after the Turkish invasion had started, and therefore it could not be a reason, or even an excuse for the invasion.

The excuse was the coup, and the reason was that Turkey wanted part of Cyprus for long long time ago.

Here is a map drawn by the Turks in 1957 reveling their plans for invading and occupying part of Cyprus.

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Postby shahmaran » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:22 pm

my god pirates, where do you get you numbers from, in a car boot sale or something?! i can assure you that just 1 of the pictures of a massgrave being unrevealed was holding around 50 dead civilans, so wherever your sources are i suggest u try elsewhere, and thats definatey not a statistical assumption but graphical proof. your armenian casualty numbers are even worse then thoose of Pamuk, but anyways.....

i find it very ironic that your text book phrase of "ethnic cleansing" was actually coined during the period -and for- when the muslims in yugoslavia were being wiped out, i suggest turkey went there to get a piece of the action and some land as well, since thats what we do (excuse the obvious sarcasm).....

i can right now walk downstairs and get a first hand explanation of the story from my grandmother on how the greeks were still very much up and running with their little secret campaign up untill the moment the turks intervened...but ofcourse that for you, would still not be a credible source but rather a pre-planned propaganda attempt by my 80 year old grandmother. and talking about propaganda, sticking a big flag that can be viewed from an airplane is nothing compared to countless numbers of posters and signs and "viewing posts" built by the greeks that has liturally taken over the gates. good public relations and good marketing on mass media u can sell anything, how very sneaky and american!

and about the confusion between having pramilitaries and not having any weapons, most people were making handmade weapons and using anything they could muster, that seems to me more like a desperate attempt to survive, rather than a pre-planned, autmatic weapon assisted, assault! which i hear the greeks had, from everyone i know who used to be a paramilitarie, i do know quite a few. i even got thought how to make a rifle from a water pipe by one of them, fun piece of knowledge :P
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:36 pm

oh and i forgot to mention (sorry i talk so much) that Lefke was being raided by the GC/G soldiers while Turkey was fighting in Girne, and thats when most of the genocide that resulted with the massgraves took place within the surrounding villages, so no the violence was no way near OVER as u have stated for a few years up until 74, get your facts straight my friend. The greeks were on a great mission and they failed, but we are still suffering the consequences while you guys complain about "lost property" ??!?! This shows that,for you war, is not over. It has merely changed shape and strategy but the aim is still the same...and as painful as i find, thats exactly why i dont believe a united cyprus would bring peace. Because a united cyprus was not peacefull to begin with.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:19 am

my god pirates, where do you get you numbers from, in a car boot sale or something?! i can assure you that just 1 of the pictures of a massgrave being unrevealed was holding around 50 dead civilans, so wherever your sources are i suggest u try elsewhere, and thats definatey not a statistical assumption but graphical proof. your armenian casualty numbers are even worse then thoose of Pamuk, but anyways.....


So how 50 dead civilians in one mass grave contradict what I say?? In fact they contradict what you say, about a mass grave in every village. If that was the case you should have known 100s of such mass graves, not just one or a few. So in fact what you said now confirms what I said.


i find it very ironic that your text book phrase of "ethnic cleansing" was actually coined during the period -and for-

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Here is the definition of ethnic cleansing:

The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide.

Didn't the Turkish troops forcibly remove people of another ethnic group from the northern part of Cyprus? Thats EXACTLY what they did so stop denying it.

i can right now walk downstairs and get a first hand explanation of the story from my grandmother ...


I had no doubt that to become a racist Greek hater your family, and not just school, should have contributed.

and about the confusion between having pramilitaries and not having any weapons, most people were making handmade weapons and using anything they could muster, that seems to me more like a desperate attempt to survive, rather than a pre-planned, autmatic weapon assisted, assault! which i hear the greeks had, from everyone i know who used to be a paramilitarie, i do know quite a few. i even got thought how to make a rifle from a water pipe by one of them, fun piece of knowledge


:lol: Thats what they told you? :lol: My friend, your paramilitaries were shipped weapons from Turkey. In many occasions they were setting machine-guns on top of hills and killing whomever passed from there.
No really, did you believe that they killed 100s of people with kitchen knifes?

oh and i forgot to mention (sorry i talk so much) that Lefke was being raided by the GC/G soldiers while Turkey was fighting in Girne, and thats when most of the genocide that resulted with the massgraves took place within the surrounding villages, so no the violence was no way near OVER as u have stated for a few years up until 74, get your facts straight my friend.


My facts are very straight, and you actually confirm them. Here is what I said: "In fact no TC was harmed in 1974 until after the Turkish invasion had started"

So yes, the intercommunal conflict was between 63 and 68. In 68 the violence was over. Then in 1974 the coup happened, but no TC was killed by the coupists. Then five days after the coup the Turkish invasion started, and AFTER that GCs retaliated against TCs.

Yes, a few 100s of TCs were killed by the retaliations of GCs in 1974. I condemn the killings of unarmed people, but at least you have to admit that the Turks started it by their invasion killing thousands of people, and raping under age girls. When the news of the Turkish atrocities in the Kerynia area spread, then some GCs retaliated with atrocities in some Turkish villages. But as always, you only know the part of the story that suits you!
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Postby Marz » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:45 am

So if these mass graves are on show for everyone, take some photos and show us to back up your stories. Buut then we cant tell if there are tc or gc civilians. So now you have to find a few more graves to prove this right.

"and about the confusion between having pramilitaries and not having any weapons, most people were making handmade weapons and using anything they could muster, that seems to me more like a desperate attempt to survive, rather than a pre-planned, autmatic weapon assisted, assault! which i hear the greeks had, from everyone i know who used to be a paramilitarie, i do know quite a few. i even got thought how to make a rifle from a water pipe by one of them, fun piece of knowledge"

Sounds more like TERRORISSOM isnt that what they call it these days :D

Cant see what your so scared of you have the backing of Turkey to come save you, even though you called yourself Cypriot. :wink:
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:20 am

Piratis, i said 50 coz u seem to think that we had 100 casualties in total LOL so it does not contradict anything apart from that.

about the ethnic cleansing, if youre going to quote me then at least do it properly, i do know what it means, what i really said was how IRONIC it was that u were using this term which was coined during the period where muslims were being drawn out of their land and thats what it was used for first, but u seem to not be able to grasp the real difference between ETHNIC CLEANSING and GENOCIDE. if ure failing to understand which is worse then all i can do is throw u that dictionary u are holding onto ever so firmly!

i have never denied that turkish troops did move you to the south, at least i can truly face the ever so evil actions of the turks, but u seem to very happily deny and even totally dismiss the fact that there was some Genocide involved on your side....thats our difference, and thats why we will never aggree...

and before u go throwing assumptions about my love towards other races and how my family has raised me into becoming a racist, i suggest u get to know me a bit more ok?

and about the weapons, yes i have already fully understood that anything that dissaggrees with your little bliefs about us, has gotta be a tottal lie and a massive conspiracy, where turks decided to just simply lie to every one of us, u sound absolutely ridiculous my friend...

and the final part of your post is not even worth answering coz ure now jsut making me repeat myself, so i suggest u continue living with your little conspiracies and makebeliefs about the Evil Turks and it will all be nice and simple for you...less strain on the old brain you know hehehhehe
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:24 am

Marz as i have said they are there go visit, if u expect me to go take pictures for you and bring then ure going to be waiting a long time my friend, i have seen them, so its up to you to proove they dont exist.....

and i do not understand how me calling myself cypriot has got anything to do with hoping to be saved from my "fellow cypriot brothers" by turkey! plz i like to know the root of your weird logic...
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Postby Sotos » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:50 am

The term ethnic cleansing was coined for the muslims of Yugoslavia? :lol: What are you talking about? Maybe thats the first time you heard of it because the Turks liked all the other ethnic cleansings until then!!
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:56 am

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory. The term entered English and international usage in the early 1990s to describe certain events in the former Yugoslavia, with the induced cleansing of Bosniaks ("Bosnian Muslims"). The term became known to the world as Serbian war overheads most of the time either openly discussed or indicated their plans in cleansing (čišćenje) of territories. Narrower definitions equate ethnic cleansing with forcible population transfer accompanied by gross human-rights violations and other factors. In broader definitions it is effectively a synonym of population transfer.


where did you learn english? while serving british tourists in aya napa?

not so funny now is it smartyass.....LOL
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:58 am

do me a favour and pass it onto your friends who LOVE using the term soo much, maybe they can print it out and stick it next to all their propaganda posters on the Lefkosa gates....
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