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[insan]

Hence my statements above, how long can the gc and turkey throw us about to get what they want, when do we have a say about what we need and require.

Who are we re brother, btw?

Within us(Cypriots), there are some who would die for the self-interests of their own nation. There are some who against any type of solution in fear of losing big part of their legal or illegal wealth. There are some who wants to take control of whole Cyprus and make TCs an ineffective minority. There are some who tries to ensure their fair share and good future in Cyprus... there are some... there are some..


Who are we then? where is our common ground?

[pantelis]

What I would like to know is this:

There were five (5) Annan plans.
Which of these was (is) the real Annan plan, and what happened to the other four?
Who objected to what in the first plan and who changed what? When I read the first plan, back in November 2003, my first reaction was to accept it right away. Why were it not accepted and what made the last plan, "the plan" to accepted by all" as is" and not the "Annan I". Why were the other plans 1,2,3,4 not given as choices for the people to pick from? The whole process and outcome were plainly a big pile of "Bull Shit", not "Made in China", like everything else is, but made in UK! (actually, assembled in UK with US and Turkish materials)

Annan and his plans and those behind them ( all those who "negotiated this scenario, GCs, TCs, Gs,Ts As, Bs etc, should all go to hell and stay there.) Since the plans were developed, all involved countries have had elections and new governments, fresh representatives of their people. The entire Cyprus issue should be re-investigated and a new solution plan should be developed.
The Annan plan was "pronounced dead at the scene", during the last referenda.
End of story.

[pantelis]

The "Annanites" have placed Cyprus in the middle of their "Caucasian Chalk Circle" and now are eager to cut it into as many pieces as necessary, in order to satisfy their sick and selfish appetite.

[-mikkie2-]

Panteli,

Successive Annan Plans were watered dwn to satisfy the Turks. Whenver the GC's wanted something changed to benefit both communities, the Turks wanted something else changed to benefit them specifically.

Kofi Annan himself said that if either side voted down the plan it would be null and void. 'As Is' it is dead.

Papadopoulos has said that any future plan must be negotiated and agreed by both parties. No one should have to 'fill the blanks'. It should be a negotiated solution that is accepted by both sides politically and then it should be put to referendum knowing that both GC and TC politicians would support it. Its really the only way.

At the moment, Turkey/US/UK wants to force feed us the A5 plan again. The obvious outcome will be failure.

[insan]

Papadopoulos has said that any future plan must be negotiated and agreed by both parties. No one should have to 'fill the blanks'. It should be a negotiated solution that is accepted by both sides politically and then it should be put to referendum knowing that both GC and TC politicians would support it. Its really the only way.

Denktash also had said exactly the same with what T-Pap said but as we all know, they negotiated nothing in 3 months time... Negotiations either with Denktash or T-Pap is just a huge waste of time, nothing else....

[erolz]

Papadopoulos has said that any future plan must be negotiated and agreed by both parties. No one should have to 'fill the blanks'. It should be a negotiated solution that is accepted by both sides politically and then it should be put to referendum knowing that both GC and TC politicians would support it. Its really the only way.

The reason why someone else had to 'fill in the blanks' was because we have failed to find an agreement amongst ourselves for 40 years.

[pantelis]

Erol

must be negotiated and agreed by both parties

The key word is both. It refers to two parties. Not three or four or six or twenty six. The two Cypriot parties should treat Cyprus as a common home for both, and become a single party with common interests, their own interests, nobody else's. Only if they do that, a lasting solution will be found.

[Bananiot]

We have been going to the UN for decades begging them to help us solve the issue. We were shouting at the top of our voice for internationalisation of the Cyprus issue. Now, we are making a u-turn and seek to solve it by ourselves. The promise of european solution has thinned out since the EU will not get involved. We spread the word, leave us alone and we will solve it! This is the predicament of our latest erratic behaviour. In the meantime, the division is consolidated and soon there will be no issue to be solved.

We now see the international factor as a threat, since we have learned from our recent experience that nobody is willing to accept that we are the sole victims of an international scheme, as we like to call it in Cyprus. We nag and complain incessively, like spoilt children, accusing every single person that has got involved in the issue as the worst enemy of democracy and human rights. "What does this mavros (black) want to do to us?" one indignant mp shouted out prior to the referenda. Why do they bother with us, I wonder. They should leave us in our misery.

Now that we decided that we do not want them to get involved (unless of course they do so on our own conditions) perhaps we can convince Turkey to remove herself from Cyprus so that we can solve the issue by ourselves. We are so childish. After so many years we still believe in fairies and Santa Klaus.

Merry Xmas all and a Happy and prosperous New Year too!

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot

You are too pessimistic!

Things are now moving in the right direction.

The international community now realises that they cannot cadjole or force the Greek Cypriots to accept a plan that they do not agree with.

It now seems that the international community may have learned its lesson. The GC concerns and views will be taken into consideration in the next round. There will be no deadlines. Time will be allowed for a negotiated solution.

Cyprus can now set its own conditions for starting the next round of negotiations. We are in a much better position now that we are in the EU. Papadopoulos, contrary to what you may think, has outmanouvered the Turks.

Turkey essentially lost the game in Copenhagen in 2002 by refusing to negotiate the plan at that time.

[Bananiot]

Very well, let us see: Papadopoulos sends a letter to Brussels on October 11 in which he lists 10 preconditions for his yes to Turkey.

1. Immediate recognistion of the RoC.
2. Embassy in Ankara.
3. Opening of turkish ports.
4. Opening of turkish airports.
5. Moratorium for new settlers.
6. Time table for withdrawal of turkish troops.
7. Turgo/cyprus relations to warm.
8. Turkey not to use her veto powers in international organisations to block the RoC.
9. Turkey to adopt all decisions taken by the International Court for Human Rights.
10. Customs union with the ten new members

Can anyone seriously suggest that we are now better off? Has anyone read the small print of the decision? If there is no solution by October 3, is there anyone that suggests that Turkey will be blamed for it? Especially when Ertogan is always 2 steps ahead of us? Did you read his interview the other day? Where are our initiatives?