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[MicAtCyp]

I propose the same thing instead of "using foreign judges" after a solution.

Sure because we all know what happened the last time GC AGREED to having a foreign judge as head of the RoC supreme court! Oh you do realise your 'constituion' still stipulates such a foreign judge don't you?

Erol, what’s your problem man? Do you find my proposal logical and binding for everyone concerned yes or no? If yes then what’s that got to do with what you are saying?

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MicAtCyp, you sound uncharacteristically optimistic, only a couple of weeks ago I remember you saying that you do not see further negotiations leading anywhere ...

Alexandre, if I remember well I just answered to a very specific question of yours telling you that any further negotiations ON the Anan Plan would lead to nowhere.

The new developments are that there will be a new plan, that will include some very few elements of the Anan plan. I think everybody with a mature political mind can understand how events roll following "journalistic rumours" from so called "reliable sources".So point No 1: a new plan. Judging from Papadopoulos refusal to write a new letter to Annan you can also predict where the new plan will come from.

In addition to that I mentioned that there will be a new more secured arbitration procedure directly from the EU utilising specialists on each and every issue separately.I don't remember where I read that, but thats again from the sort of "reliable sources" etc.

So yes I am rather optimistic that between March 2005 (after the TC elections and eventual kick off of Denkta$h) things will start "rolling". Now what makes me "almost sure" this procedure will lead to a solution? Simple. Because with such a procedure, there is no way out for anyone, no room for excuses, and no room for crunching out the time without producing results. Either you produce results or some committees of experts will produce them for you. Either your name is Papadopoulos ot Talat or Gul or whatever....

The only possible cloud I see is that for various reasons this procedure (mainly due to Turkey) may not start immediately after March or even delayed or postponed up untill 2006. I am optimistic though that once it starts it will lead to a sulution.

I hope I ‘ve cheered you all up with some flare of optimism.

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He has rejected plans that were miles better than the A plan.

Like which?

There is a chance for a solution but only if Papadopoulos agrees and specifically pinpoints the changes (which must be kept to a minimum) to the plan he wishes which will not alter the philosophy of the plan and of course can be accepted by the other side. Does anyone seriously see Papadopoulos doing this?

No! The only one I see doing this, is you. Keep murmuring.....

[Alexandros Lordos]

The new developments are that there will be a new plan, that will include some very few elements of the Anan plan. I think everybody with a mature political mind can understand how events roll following "journalistic rumours" from so called "reliable sources".So point No 1: a new plan. Judging from Papadopoulos refusal to write a new letter to Annan you can also predict where the new plan will come from.

In addition to that I mentioned that there will be a new more secured arbitration procedure directly from the EU utilising specialists on each and every issue separately.I don't remember where I read that, but thats again from the sort of "reliable sources" etc.

OK, so this is the "European Solution" scenario that everyone keeps talking about ...

I can see European specialists stepping in to resolve issues relating to the Economy (which is a big mess in the Annan Plan), but I suspect they will be a lot less willing to involve themselves in other issues, such as governance / political equality, settlers etc. That mess, we will still have to sort out by ourselves.

The big success will be if Europe agrees to get involved - and take some responsibility - in matters relating to the security of Cyprus, so that we finally escape the zero-sum game of unilateral intervention rights. This is the issue on which Turkey will have to show such flexibility as it has not shown before ...

Concerning rumors: MicAtCyp, my experience of Cypriot media is that each newspaper leaks its own kind of "rumors" depending on their pre-conceived notion of the subject. For instance, Politis leaks rumors that "the Americans" are going to bring back the Annan Plan with very few amendments, whereas Simerini leaks that a "European Solution" - as you have described it above - will soon be on the cards ...

Anyway, I hope your information is accurate. I also believe UN arbitration by itself is no longer sufficient, and a hands-on approach by the EU is imperative to move things forward ...

[magikthrill]

I'm not sure how much TCs (majority at least) would agree to a European solution, since most of the demands TCs make go against European law. What does everyone think about this?

[brother]

I think with GC being in the E.U already makes the E.U biased and in favour to GC hence your insistance for the E.U intervention.

[magikthrill]

lol and with that argument, the UN was biased since the US and the UK have a greater influence on it.

regardless though, EU laws were made way before Cyprus joined the EU. maybe what you mean brother is that human rights laws are biased towards GCs?

[brother]

NO, what i mean is clear and with the terrorist lawyer he will find ways to hijack the ROC for ever, if tassos wants unity why does he not offer to to find a solution without them(EU), you lot seem to think he is smart enough.

And remind me magikthrill when the US joined the E.U, and Britain hijacked the E.U presidency, i do not recall these events.

[boulio]

wasent papadopoulos a staunch supporter of Makarios?EOKA B was completly against makarios were they not?there is a clear distinction between eoka a and b.eoka a fought the britsh,eoka b fought everybody including the republic of cyprus.

[brother]

You are confused he was in EOKA both times and they killed tc, that is now a known part of history.

[boulio]

he was in eoka B i never heard of that do you have any links to prove it from non-turkish sources id really appreciate them.

[brother]

In cyprus if you fart by the time you get home your mother knows about it.

It was no secret and you do not need to see a link for everything to find out what is true.

Ask some of your older relatives they may give you some suprising incites and stories.