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Postby Piratis » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:54 pm

Issy, you could not understand how the French, the Greeks, the Belgians and the other Europeans were anti-Nazi when their countries were occupied?

Or maybe you consider Greek Cypriots as sub-human and for them the occupation of their country and their human rights violations shouldn't be a problem like it is for everybody else?
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Postby miltiades » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:32 pm

Issy said :

"""Miltiades,
I, like you am a firm believer that we Cypriots GC and TC have much more in common with each other than we do with our mainland cousins. In all honesty my first concern is with our common homeland and would wish to see the Turkish troops go home but we must all realise that this will not happen without a comprehensive peace settlement. The entry of Turkey into the EU, if it happens and I have my doubts about that, will benefit us all. I see no reason to demonise the Turks as a people and cannot understand why some of the GC's on this forum are so irrationally, almost psychotically anti Turkish. I just dont understand how people become like that. Perhaps it comes from the education system in Cyprus? """

Issy I always try to understand peoples grievances and I fully appreciate that our people have their justified grievances againt events that have caused so much pain and suffering. I know that a T/C mothers' grief for a lost son is equally enormous as that that of a G/C mothers' sorrow.
Maybe having left Cyprus at the ripe age of 15 I have not been through what most of my people , our people have gone through , maybe my love for my Cypriot brorthers has not had to endure the painful tests that those living through the years of conflict experienced. I m hopeful and can honestly say that with Cypriots such as you and so many others on this forum and in the wider Cypriot world the solution will inevitably come .
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Postby Issy1956 » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:35 pm

Piratis,
Try and look at this way. They are temporary guests of your TC partners in our country and as soon as we resolved our local domestic difficulties we can jointly ask them to leave. Do we have a deal? Cna we agree on that much at least?
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Postby Sotos » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:02 am

If Europeans wanted Turkey in EU they wouldn't accept Cyprus. But the Turks didn't get the hint.
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Postby growuptcs » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:56 am

Sotos, I think you meant if the Europeans didn't want Turkey in the EU, they wouldn't accept Cyprus. Excuse me for correcting you, I feel like my woman trying to correct me when I say something accidentally wrong. No punt intended.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:15 am

Issy, temporary yes, but "guests" definitely not.

Guests don't kick you out of your home. Those are called invaders, not guests, so lets call things with their name.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:41 am

Piratis wrote:Issy, temporary yes, but "guests" definitely not.

Guests don't kick you out of your home. Those are called invaders, not guests, so lets call things with their name.


This is a typical GC insult, Issy offers him an olive branch what does Piratis do? he throws it back saying its not got enough leaves on it. Issy don't even bother with people like Piratis, they will stab you in the back at the first opportunity. This is the man who promotes enforcing the 1960 agreements on the TC community knowing full well that he opposes those same agreements as he feels they were forced upon him when Makarios signed them, how long do you think it will take him before he starts to scream unfair unfair we need to water down these agreements, Id say about 2 seconds.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:20 am

VP WROTE !!!
""Issy offers him an olive branch what does Piratis do? he throws it back saying its not got enough leaves on it. ""

And how many olive branches have you accepted !! Ironic the pot calling the kettle black or rather in Cypriot the donkey called the cock big head !!
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:25 am

Where was the olive branch??? Olive branch means stop committing crimes against us and start respecting the sovereignty of RoC and our human rights.

If I start beating you up making you bleed and then I tell you: "see it this way: I am making a strong massage to you because I love you", would you consider this as an "olive branch" or an offense? I believe it is the second.

The 1960 agreements were indeed forced on us, this is a fact. (I posted a link to a video in another thread by BBC about this). However that is what was singed, that is what is legal and therefore the only thing we can have.

Because I don't like the 1960 agreements this doesn't mean you have the right to illegally occupy our country and insist on our ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Issy1956 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:26 am

Miltiades,
I wish I shared your optimisum my good friend. I also left Cyprus at an early age as a result of being ethnically cleansed by my GC brothers but despite this I have got to know many GC growing up in London and quickly realised that they were no different to me and so I hold no resentment for my fellow countryman.
Since joining this forum I have read things and realised that a significant number of the GC's actually living in Cyprus together with the "ROC" government harbour such hostile feeling towards us that I fear there will never be settelement. It actually feels like the TC are under constant attack by the ROC governmnt in the form of embargoes and legal action. I hope that I am wrong but thats the way it look to me.
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