Armenian genocide resolution
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| The unpopularity of Bush is a major reason this has passed. Clinton was able to stop it in 2000 because he was alot more respected then the mad cowboy. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:27 am |
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| paliometoxo |
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| i would of thought people in america will do anything bush says.. i hop eim wrong and they pass this law, turks need to admit what they done is wrong |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:13 am |
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| dinos |
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| growuptcs wrote: |
| Dinos, don't go by how Bush suck Turkeys ass. The majority of Americans think of him worse than how Blair stepped down. Thats why there will be no breakthrough for the Cyprus problem till the end of 2008 when Bush is gone. |
As far as Bush goes, I certainly have no love for that piece of sh!t.
Regardless, I doubt that any of this will play into a resolution to the Cyprus issue. It's not a big draw stateside where only a handful of politicians know that Cyprus even exists.
The Europeans don't care because they get lots of oil from pipelines routed through Turkey. Happy VAT payments to all. A solution, if one is desired, will have to be negotiated with the Turks.
Coming back to the Armenian genocide resolution, the Turks have much more to lose than the US if the relationship really breaks. I think this is a non-issue, like Y2K. The Turks are not stupid enough to really take threatening actions against the states. So it's time for some popcorn while we watch this minor soap opera play out.
Hope you're well...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:15 am |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
| We also have a lot of troops in Afghanistan who they need |
If you have a sense of humor about this, your troops aren't needed for Bush to f*ck up Afghanistan... |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:19 am |
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| I didnt know T/Cs were in Afghanistan , since when ?? |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:50 pm |
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| dinos wrote: |
Coming back to the Armenian genocide resolution, the Turks have much more to lose than the US if the relationship really breaks. I think this is a non-issue, like Y2K. The Turks are not stupid enough to really take threatening actions against the states. So it's time for some popcorn while we watch this minor soap opera play out.
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Do not look at it as a threat. Look at this way. Turkey kindly informed you that your actions would have consequences, but you did not listen.
After the friendly gesture of equating Turks to a bunch of Nazis, a gesture only an ally like America is capable of, you certainly are in no position to expect Turkey to cooperate outside of what it is legally obliged to by its NATO membership. And that does not include allowing you to use Incirilik and other Turkish facilities for your immoral war in Iraq. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:55 am |
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| bg_turk wrote: |
| dinos wrote: |
Coming back to the Armenian genocide resolution, the Turks have much more to lose than the US if the relationship really breaks. I think this is a non-issue, like Y2K. The Turks are not stupid enough to really take threatening actions against the states. So it's time for some popcorn while we watch this minor soap opera play out.
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Do not look at it as a threat. Look at this way. Turkey kindly informed you that your actions would have consequences, but you did not listen.
After the friendly gesture of equating Turks to a bunch of Nazis, a gesture only an ally like America is capable of, you certainly are in no position to expect Turkey to cooperate outside of what it is legally obliged to by its NATO membership. And that does not include allowing you to use Incirilik and other Turkish facilities for your immoral war in Iraq. |
Let's not sugar-coat it; the Turks are definitely threatening the Bushies. However you view the Iraq calamity is no matter to me - if you're so against it, you shouldn't have lent your support. Whatever you want to do with your territory is your own fucking business and you have every right to change your minds. However, you should also be aware that withdrawing your support will affect you more than anyone stateside. The ball is in your court. If you bolloks it up, you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:01 am |
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I think Pelosi said...the turks wil get over it...I think she knows a bit more than bg_turk.
and how come you seemed to disregard forum rules...clearly stating no pictures in signature...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:58 pm |
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| boomerang wrote: |
Here is the rule again
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Uh-oh...oops...  sig has been corrected. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:00 pm |
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| boomerang wrote: |
I think Pelosi said...the turks wil get over it...I think she knows a bit more than bg_turk.
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Eight former secretaries of state both democrat and republican - Alexander Haig, Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker, Lawrence Eagleburger, Warren Christopher, Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell; the current secretary Condolezza Rice; and defence secretary Robert Gates would beg to differ from you.
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September 25, 2007
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515-0508
Dear Madam Speaker:
We are writing to express concern that H. Res. 106 could soon be put to a vote. Passage of the resolution would harm our foreign policy objectives to promote reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia. It would also strain our relations with Turkey, and would endanger our national security interests in the region, including the safety of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We do not minimize or deny the enormous significance of the horrible tragedy suffered by ethnic Armenian from 1915 to 1923. During our tenures as Secretaries of the State, we each supported Presidential statements recognizing the mass killings and forced exile of Armenians. It has been longstanding U.S. policy to encourage reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia and to urge the government of Turkey to acknowledge the tragedy. We understand the Administration continues to urge the Turkish government to reexamine its history and to encourage both Turkey and Armenia to work towards reconciliation, including normalizing relations and opening the border. There are some hopeful signs already that both parties are engaging each other. We believe that a public statement by the U.S. Congress at this juncture is likely to undermine what has been painstakingly achieved to date.
We must also recognize the important contributions Turkey is making to U.S. national security, including security and stability in the Middle East and Europe. The United States continues to rely on Turkey for its geo-strategic importance. Turkey is an indispensable partner to our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, helping U.S military with access to Turkish airspace, military bases, and the border crossing with Iraq, Turkey is a linchpin in the transshipment of vital cargo and fuel resources to U.S. troops, coalition partners and Iraqi civilians. Turkish troops serve shoulder-to-shoulder with distinction with U.S. and other NATO allies in the Balkans. Turkey is also a transit hub for non-OPEC oil and gas and remains key to our effort s to help the Euro-Atlantic community bolster its energy security by providing alternative supply sources and routes around Russia and Iran.
It is our view that passage of this resolution could quickly extend beyond symbolic significance. The popularly elected Turkish Grand National Assembly might react strongly to a House resolution, as it did to a French National Assembly resolution a year ago. The result could endanger our national security interests in the region, including our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and damage efforts to promote reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey. We strongly urge you to prevent the resolution from reaching the house floor.
Sincerely,
Madeleine K. Albright
James A. Baker III
Warren Christopher
Lawrence S. Eagleburger
Alexander M. Haig, Jr
Henry A. Kissinger
Colin L. Powell
George P. Shultz
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