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Proposal for Svetlana

Postby devil » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:07 pm

There are a number of immature individuals using these forums. They stop all serious discussions with their ad hominem insults and generally infantile behaviour, which is a disgrace to both communities they purport to represent.

I seriously suggest that anyone who oversteps the mark of common decency and respect for other members and either community should be given a warning. If he does it again, he should be banned for, say, 1 week. On a third offence, he should be banned for 1 month and for ever if he is a further recidivist.

Be tough and we might get some serious discussion.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:47 pm

We don't need police.
Ever heard of "self banning" process? :idea:
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Postby Pete_D » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:40 pm

Rather than svetlana this proposal sounds like it would be better directed to Admin. Why not put it in the "suggestions" forum?

This forum is generally very tolerant, and I am often surprised at some of the stuff that can be said with no ban occurring. I think devil you said somewhere that you are on other forums (fora?) a lot, you have probably seen many with a system for imposing bans. But such a system needs quite an effort put in to specify what offence generates what ban etc etc.
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Postby Svetlana » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:59 am

It is not easy to be specific about what warrants a post deletion or ban; if something clearly violates the Rules - that is clearcut - but there are more subjective criteria; does a posting conflict with the objective and spirit of the Forum? This might be through racist or sexist content, or one inciting illegal avtivity. Whatever you do as Mod/Admin, you will not please everyone, so decisions have to be taken which are viewed as being in the interests of the majority of members.

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Postby devil » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:54 am

Pete_D wrote:I think devil you said somewhere that you are on other forums (fora?) a lot, you have probably seen many with a system for imposing bans. But such a system needs quite an effort put in to specify what offence generates what ban etc etc.

Svetlana wrote:decisions have to be taken which are viewed as being in the interests of the majority of members.


Good points.

My experience is that few forums ban members, except spammers and suchlike. I have banned only one person on any of the forums I've run (other than spammers and suchlike). The subject matter was highly technical and this guy consistently reduced many threads to attacking other members and trying to promote a very dangerous chemical with false information. I gave him repeated warnings, both private and public, before suspending him for a month and then banning him, when he restarted. I banned him as nick, IP number and e-mail address, so that he would have great difficulty re-registering. I should mention that others complained about him, too.

I have seen, on a general forum, people banned for racism etc., but most of the forums I attend are technical, not general. One technical forum, which I no longer look at, attracted large numbers of fruitcakes promoting heated arguments about "free energy", perpetual motion etc. I run another small energy-oriented forum. Only last week, I had such a case posted and I didn't want the thread degenerating into a slanging match, so I locked it before this could happen, but I didn't ban the cookie. You can see my measured response here. This thread has been viewed 40-odd times since but I've received no complaints for heavy-handedness from either the OP or others.

I've found a number of members posting on this board to be very disagreeably racist (GCs attacking TCs and Turks and TCs attacking GCs and Greeks). Equally disagreeable are ad hominem attacks between individuals. The board title says
Cyprus Problem
How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)
(my emphasis)
The posted subjects are frequently intentionally provocative and are far from "civilized". As such, the perpetrators of these childish and stupid attacks are breaking a stated rule of the board, while spoiling the board for those wishing to discuss the Problem calmly and dispassionately. This is why I put forward my proposition.
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Postby osintseva » Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:53 am

sorry but you are an impediment to free speech and nobody needs your censorship.

that poor guy on your board states "since I am the father of this invention, my opinion does not matter" and "I would appreciate your opinion" and has put together a nice site that i found interesting to read.

you say "I don't think that this forum is intended to promote far-fetched ideas" and "make a prototype and demonstrate it to scientists and engineers" and you call his ideas "pipe dreams". maybe he doesnt have the cash to make a prototype and certainly cant try his space station idea out its only your opinion that his idea is farfetched and a pipe dream there is no need to stamp on the guy.

perhaps you would be appreciated in china
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Postby queenslander » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:32 pm

i have a proposal for svetlana but it has nothing to do with this thread. I love that name 'Svetlana', sadly i have never meet one (Svetlana that is)
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Postby Pete_D » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:50 pm

queenslander wrote:i have a proposal for svetlana but it has nothing to do with this thread. I love that name 'Svetlana', sadly i have never meet one (Svetlana that is)


LOL! Yes, I have to say when I saw "proposal for Svetlana" as the title then, until I read the thread, i did think it should have been posted in the "lurve and marriage" section ;)
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Postby devil » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:07 pm

osintseva wrote:sorry but you are an impediment to free speech and nobody needs your censorship.

that poor guy on your board states "since I am the father of this invention, my opinion does not matter" and "I would appreciate your opinion" and has put together a nice site that i found interesting to read.

you say "I don't think that this forum is intended to promote far-fetched ideas" and "make a prototype and demonstrate it to scientists and engineers" and you call his ideas "pipe dreams". maybe he doesnt have the cash to make a prototype and certainly cant try his space station idea out its only your opinion that his idea is farfetched and a pipe dream there is no need to stamp on the guy.

perhaps you would be appreciated in china


You are so wrong. If I wished to impede free speech, I could simply have deleted his post. As it is, YOU were able to read what he said and you have the means to respond to him, if you wish.

I am an experienced scientist and engineer (graduated 1951). I could have spent my time explaining why his idea could not possibly work, quoting the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I KNOW it cannot work, if only because it defies the most basic physical laws, so it is not a question of opinion but knowledge.

All I can say is that, if you believe this guy, why don't you offer to build him a prototype for a 50% share in the astounding profits that he is sure to make, if he is right?
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Postby osintseva » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:15 pm

it was pointless locking his thread, why, to save space on a hard drive?

in any event gravity was supplying energy into his system.

if the 2nd law of thermodynamics is valid how does light accelerate when it leaves glass into a vaccuum or air. where do the photons get the energy to increase their speed.
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