Threat of coup d'etat in Turkey
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| BirKibrisli |
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On a more serious note,this probably will pave the way for Presidential election by public vote...The Pandora's box might just get opened then...
The fat lady has not sang yet... |
Just out of interest, what do most Turks/TCs/People of Turkish descent/Others think would happen if the Turkish people were asked to vote for a president? Do you think Gul would be elected? With the risk of being oversimplistic, what is the perceived split of secularists versus islamists? Who would win? Islamist parties seem to be quite popular in Turkey whilst at the same time millions come out to protest in favour of secularism. |
It is difficult to say if Gul would be elected in a democratic vote.My guess is he would be one of the two left for the run off...but if there is someone backed by the military my money would be on him (I won't say him/her because Military would only back one of their own!!!).
The islamist vote in Turkey is not significant.I'd say under 8% for sure.AKP got 34% in the last elections but most votes were from the right wing voters disillusioned by the other right wing parties (like DYP,ANAP,MHP etc)...The votes of the other islamist party (from which AKP split) was under 5% from memory...That's why I keep saying there is no danger to secularism in Turkey,and the military shlould stay right out of the democratic process...But I know karma does not agree...   |
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:32 pm |
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The constitutional court has annuled the voting in the first round of Turkish presidential elections...They agreed with the opposition CHP party that 367 mps must be in the chamber before the session can begin...
Make no mistake about it...This is a coup d'etat organised by the military and the nationalist elite/deep state whatever...but without putting the tanks in the street.Established interests of the deep state has been preserved,and the Turkish democracy has been mortally wounded today...It is a sad day for Turkey...and all who believe in full parliamentary democracy...  |
And is the presence of these MPs a part of the democratic laws or not. Surelly they are trying to be democratic by wanting all the votes to come in and not just some. If there is a problem then they should sort that out first before commiting to a vote. |
As I said elsewhere there is no one as blind as.....
Zan,the requirement that 367 MPs (two thirds) must be present and cast their vote for the procedure to be valid was not demanded in the past 3 elections of the Presidents Ozal,Demirel and Sezer...
Even blind Freddie can see that it was pulled out of the constitutional court's hat to stop Gul from becoming President...I am no fan of the AKP,Erdogan or Gul,as you probably remember,but you cannot change the rules of the game halfway,because your side is not winning...
This is what they did in Turkey today...There was no problem until they artifically manufactured one,and the problem arose because the CHP MPs and the other establishment party MPs refused to attend the proceedings...
Where else have you seen,in a democratic country,the democratically elected MPs refusing to attend parliament and cast a vote,because they knew they would lose that vote???
Oh...I remember one "parliament" where opposition MPS are boycotting the proceedings because they don't have the numbers to change anything...The TRNC parliament...  |
Is there a law that prevents this protest or are the MPs forced by this law to attend. Perhaps the army should round them up amd march them in.  |
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:40 pm |
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[quote="Birkibrisli"][quote="Alexis"][quote]On a more serious note,this probably will pave the way for Presidential election by public vote...The Pandora's box might just get opened then...
The fat lady has not sang yet... [/quote]
Just out of interest, what do most Turks/TCs/People of Turkish descent/Others think would happen if the Turkish people were asked to vote for a president? Do you think Gul would be elected? With the risk of being oversimplistic, what is the perceived split of secularists versus islamists? Who would win? Islamist parties seem to be quite popular in Turkey whilst at the same time millions come out to protest in favour of secularism.[/quote]
It is difficult to say if Gul would be elected in a democratic vote.My guess is he would be one of the two left for the run off...but if there is someone backed by the military my money would be on him (I won't say him/her because Military would only back one of their own!!!).
The islamist vote in Turkey is not significant.I'd say under 8% for sure.AKP got 34% in the last elections but most votes were from the right wing voters disillusioned by the other right wing parties (like DYP,ANAP,MHP etc)...The votes of the other islamist party (from which AKP split) was under 5% from memory...That's why I keep saying there is no danger to secularism in Turkey,and the military shlould stay right out of the democratic process...But I know karma does not agree... [/quote]
YEAP, I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL 
I will bring for u to read the book '' KOSTEBEK'' by Necip Hablemitoglu who were murdered in 2002..U will realize if secularism is in danger in Turkey or not...and why he was murdered...
So while I m enjoying my red wine in ur garden, u will be doing ur homework and get surprised with what u read  |
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:18 am |
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| karma wrote: |
| Birkibrisli wrote: |
| Alexis wrote: |
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On a more serious note,this probably will pave the way for Presidential election by public vote...The Pandora's box might just get opened then...
The fat lady has not sang yet... |
Just out of interest, what do most Turks/TCs/People of Turkish descent/Others think would happen if the Turkish people were asked to vote for a president? Do you think Gul would be elected? With the risk of being oversimplistic, what is the perceived split of secularists versus islamists? Who would win? Islamist parties seem to be quite popular in Turkey whilst at the same time millions come out to protest in favour of secularism. |
It is difficult to say if Gul would be elected in a democratic vote.My guess is he would be one of the two left for the run off...but if there is someone backed by the military my money would be on him (I won't say him/her because Military would only back one of their own!!!).
The islamist vote in Turkey is not significant.I'd say under 8% for sure.AKP got 34% in the last elections but most votes were from the right wing voters disillusioned by the other right wing parties (like DYP,ANAP,MHP etc)...The votes of the other islamist party (from which AKP split) was under 5% from memory...That's why I keep saying there is no danger to secularism in Turkey,and the military shlould stay right out of the democratic process...But I know karma does not agree... |
YEAP, I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL
I will bring for u to read the book '' KOSTEBEK'' by Necip Hablemitoglu who were murdered in 2002..U will realize if secularism is in danger in Turkey or not...and why he was murdered...
So while I m enjoying my red wine in ur garden, u will be doing ur homework and get surprised with what u read |
I look forward to it with anticipation,karma...
But make sure you let me know when you are coming,to make sure I am at home ...And to make sure I have plenty of red Australian nectar of the Gods to keep you amused while I do the very antisocial act of "reading" while I have guests in the garden   |
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