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turkcyp wrote:Having a huge GC population in north does not bother me at all. As I have expressed earlier i do not care even if there is no limitation on how many GCs settle in north.

And also I do not care if they vote in the northern state as well in the state elections. For that I care, they can even run for the governor (or premier, president whatever you want to call it) of the northern state as well.

But there has to be found a legal way of stopping these GCs in participating federal level elections in the central government and participating state wide elections relating the federal decisions. Otherwise equality of communities will be just on the word not on the substance.

And so far, neither Annan Plan nor what Alex is proposing gives that solution. Both of the solutions involve restrictions on political participation on the basis of ethnicity which most probably would be deemed against human rights of GCs by the ECHR. So in order to avoid this there has to be found a legal restrictions on residency (or state citizenship if you will) not on the ethnicity.

That is why my proposal was treating GCs settling in northern state as not a resident for political purposes. And the way I propose doing this was that, any GC that settles into northern state would have dual residency both TC state and GC state, GC state residency being the primary residency (even though she/he stays in north exclusively. From the legal perspective you actually do not even have to own a property to be resident, so these GCs would be primary resident of southern state in name only for political voting purposes, just like how they vote in USA federal elections in the name of absentee or overseas voting) and secondary residency in northern state.

And furthermore the internal constitutions of each state would be forced by the federal constitution to give all the voting rights secondary residences holders, with the exception of the two rights above cases.

IMO this is the only legal way of restricting political participation to preserve equality. Otherwise any measure based on ethnicity will turn from ECHR.

Take care,

Alexandros Lordos wrote:Well, if we could pull it off it would be great, resolving the bases issue AND getting a solution.

However, I am sure the british and the americans will do everything in their power to stop us, and they might even be willing to wreck the negotiations for a solution instead of tolerating a dimunition of the status of the bases.

I think the absolute minimum that we should strive for, is to ensure that the solution in no way adds further legitimacy to the bases, i.e. reinforcing their presence here with a popular mandate. To achieve this, we need to ensure that the issue of the bases is meticulously ignored and left out of the solution package. That way, we will still be able to challenge their status later from the stronger position of a re-united Cyprus, arguing that their presence is irrelevant to the new state of affairs.

For Turkey, Britain is a potential future threat.

insan wrote:

For Turkey, Britain is a potential future threat.

Alexandros, I wonder how you came to a conclusion that Britain is a potential future threat for Turkey. Do you think Britain is potentially more dangerous than Greece, GCs together with some wery well known continental EU countries? If you could explain me how Britain would become a threat for Turkey in the future, I'll be happy. The countries that have hostile attitudes against to Turkey are very well known.

insan wrote:

For Turkey, Britain is a potential future threat.

Alexandros, I wonder how you came to a conclusion that Britain is a potential future threat for Turkey.

lol yes insan, greece is so much more powerful than the UK and Turkey, they are the ones who should be afraid of Greece!

oh and last time i checked it was Turkey that was violating Greece's airspace (apparently the turkish military still cant over the fact that they got d*ked over in the aegean) and its Greece that is suporting Turkeys bid for EU membership.

Alexandros Lordos wrote:For those of you who don't mind having Cyprus used in all these ways "so long as it is done in a peaceful way", just consider: If a regional war involving Britain were to erupt in the future (or even, God forbid, a world war), Cyprus would be one of the primary military targets.