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gabaston wrote:f Turkey broke her vows then please take her to wherever thay take violators of that convention.

Turkey broke her "vows" by occupying the RoC isntead of restoring order in the republic, as stated by the treaty of guarantee!
i dont know where to take TUrkey it seems to me like nobody really cares so whats the point, n'est ce pas?

I neither condemn nor condone these actions, and this wasnt some bloke returning to his house either. This was some one who was inciting further conflict - or escalating war-

So you are telling me that TCs who got in the way of GC enosists were inciting further conflict - or escalating war then too? I mean what is the difference between the atrocities committed agianst the TCs in order to establish the desire of the majority of the residents of the island?

dont ask if i condone or support this, the actions of one person during war is not the responsiblity of you or us. The First world war was started by one or two shots from a gun into The Archduke Ferdinand and twenty million ended up dead. Ask me if i would have condoned the murder of his assaninators prior to that event.

Alright so its no GCs fault that any TC got killed between 1963-1974 by your same arguments. You may think so but I personally don't.

Kifaes

I thank you for agreement in the K events, and also thank you for not claiming that I have exaggerated it. I too have heard of the given excuses and if they are true then they are just as lunatic fanatic as your right wing. I appreciate your honesty in this matter.

I now read that Papadop claims that between 63 and 74 no tcs were killed, and so (irrespective of whatever lies our politicians claim) what is going on?

Additionally other double standards confuse me with regard the recent Homes Trials.
I know of one tc who has had 400 houses built on her land in the south, and she cant get that to court. I mean lets be honest ok they can claim that it takes time, but I cant see Gc govt demolishing these homes…..can you?

I don’t claim to have a solution other than that which evolution itself can give to us through our children and their children, whereby for reasons of economy or social betterment we can evolve into one people.

Like marriage is based on two person’s love for each other, not two people who have over-come hatred for each other.

The attitudes of the present generation has changed from that of the sixties, regarding Enosis etc, but I cant help feeling that is a result of the TA, and I can understand your disgust or disapproval of their presence, but as far as I understand they are the determining factor for that changed that attitude, at least more so than any change in attitude towards Tc’s.

I commend and congratulate the advancements in your social and economic standards of living, and long may it continue to improve.

With regards a solution, I can only see more trouble ahead if we now all go back to pre 74, or even pre 63, and I think you understand what I mean by pre 63.
I propose no permanent solution for now, I’m afraid that is too long sighted. I would love to see a situation where my daughter and her boyfriend can be in Cyprus without being one thing or the other, and without being embarrassed by some dropped comment or slogan, and also where I can live with my greek friends without similar.

The only solution I can see for now is one based on areas where both parties are free to live and work. Some talk of bi-zonal or bi-communal, as long as it provides safe havens for both communities, with equal opportunity, that’s fine by me. From here we may build up trust, business etc. From there maybe we can start making neutral areas (maybe not realistic, but a thought) where we can further improve relations, and hopefully through the generations eventually one day a Cypriot people will emerge. However I don’t think we are quite ready for that now.

Regards refugees as I have said it makes far greater economic sense for Turkey to compensate in a one-off payment (or even instalments) than to maintain Nc’s economy and 30,000 troops, into never-never land. This to be assessed in view of fair land swaps.

I have no desire to see a permanent separation, and miss out on the cultural, social and economic benefits I exchange with my many, many greek friends and associates and even probable future family members.

I know this has been another essay and may have even somewhat evaded your question, but after forty years I don’t think the problem can be solved with one simple answer, and believe that there are still many more chapters of Cypriot history still to be written, hopefully with a happy ending.


So I guess your next question will be:
Do you think that 200, 000 refugees is a happy ending? The answer to that is obvious.

I am surprised that more people did not make amends but instead found the opportunity to argue or complain, i really expected more from my cypriot compatriots.

Just curiosity did anyone apologied from anyone? Just dont want to read all 13 page. 122 post, I hope one them is an apologise.

Yes some have but i expected or should i say hoped that many more were mature enough to do so but so far they are not so forth coming.

Just curiosity did anyone apologied from anyone? Just dont want to read all 13 page. 122 post, I hope one them is an apologise.

I ALREADY SAID "YES" TO YOUR QUESTION.

Ops sorry for double post
Well so GREAT!

I read some post at this forum and mostly conversation go this way.

A TURK:Your side is guilty
A GREAK:Your side is guilty(This show you are not much different)

and People who think they are right dont apologise because they are right.

So I mistaked a little.

Hey firstly welcome to the forum Murtaza,

You forget we are cypriots and argueing is in our nature but there are a few morons around and no one can help them.