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I put up this plan to ensure full rights for all: the lower house with one-man-one-vote and the senate with all ethnic groups with same voting rights to ensure no discriminatory legislation. I think it is win-win: Greek Cypriot majority get their lower house government based on the population demographic, and the Turkish Cypriots get their safeguards for their community through the senate. As for the Marionite and Armenian Cypriots, they are Cypriots was well, and so are the other migrants who emigrated and obtained citizenship. Their voice and opinion cannot be ignored. The basic argument is protecting ethnic identity in an independent state. The proposed bicarmel goverment setup is one half of the equation. Removing political influences and interferences from both Athens and Ankara are another.

howdy, wyoming, welcome!

i have made my proposal in the form of a manifesto; hope you will rerad it and comment...

indeed a lower house can reflect the population by its demographics.

if we choose a bicameral legislature, an upper house can reflect the plurality of our population by using its many etnicities to countervail each other. this solution will certainly guarantee for the Turcophone population the security they seek in the face of an overwhelming majority. it will also guarantee however, for all of us as Cypriots that our acts are determined by the Principals we hold dear as Humans, and in that sense equals.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

we have an identity as Persons, toward which our State should act in a manner where we can have the ability to sustain ourselves. but, as Individuals we have an identity as citizens to act for each other without the discrimination that can exist because of this desire for exclusvity. Moreso as Communities, and in this sense majorities, we must express our committment toward the betterment of others who live as minorities amongst us.

most importantly, with whatever choice we make, it is important to remember that this distribution of the population, ethnicly, will not remain static. it is changung and it will change even more with the years to come.

(Hi RW)

Can someone answer a question please. Why do CYs have this need to invent "solutions" from scratch? Why the need to re-invent the wheel? Surely there are tested models from elsewhere in the world we could adapt and adopt?

(ok - that's three questions)

...it's a good question bill, but we have comitted ourselves to demonstrating the Principal of Bicommunality. Thus it is necessary for us to find a Solution where we represent ourselves as Persons, and as well, Individuals.

...utu, what do you think of National Assemblies as a second level of Governance, so that Cypriots can have internal identities, as well as a State?

bill cobbett wrote:(Hi RW)

Can someone answer a question please. Why do CYs have this need to invent "solutions" from scratch? Why the need to re-invent the wheel? Surely there are tested models from elsewhere in the world we could adapt and adopt?

(ok - that's three questions)

The reason we need to re-invent the wheel billy boy, is because there is other fucked up country anywhere else in the world.

Where has any country been invaded and occupied by one of it guarantors whilst the other did nowt?

Where in the world have the UN allowed free passage to 10's of thousands of illegal immigrants?

Where in the world has international law, ECHR and any other joker for an organosation removed the legal owners property rights and given them to anatolian peasants?

And the list goes on, and you have to ask such a stupid question ?

bill cobbett wrote:(Hi RW)

Can someone answer a question please. Why do CYs have this need to invent "solutions" from scratch? Why the need to re-invent the wheel? Surely there are tested models from elsewhere in the world we could adapt and adopt?

Had you asked Bananiot he would’ve explained that due to our past (bad) deeds we don’t deserve a viable and just solution so we must now accept a unfair and suicidal capitulation!

Why on earth did you revive this old thread??? We have never been further away from a unitary state as we are today...The TCs refused to be reduced to the status of a political minority back in 1963 when they had very little going for them...What makes you think they will accept anything less than a BBF now,when it has been sanctioned by the UN ???

BirKibrisli wrote:The TCs refused to be reduced to the status of a political minority back in 1963 when they had very little going for them...What makes you think they will accept anything less than a BBF now,when it has been sanctioned by the UN ???

That’s where you’re mistaken! The BBF was suggested by Makarios just 5-6 months before he died and subsequent governments went along with it, but don’t expect the generous goodwill gesture to last forever… especially given your 36 year’s worth of an attitude!

There are already plenty of signs that the RoC has had second thoughts…

utu - You propose a very interesting approach and it appears to be thought out with respect to designing functional government. I am curious what the displaced Cypriots on both sides of the issue have to say about restitution of property and a proposal that might be acceptable to everyone that would allow progress toward a unified and sovereign nation.

I am an outsider from across the Atlantic but have lived on Cyprus for extended periods in the 80s, 90s, and 2000-2001 and find it hard to understand how "Cyprus" was permitted to enter the EU with so much yet to resolve. In my opinion, premature entry into the EU has set back any possibility of an "Easy Solution."

Yolcu wrote:utu - You propose a very interesting approach and it appears to be thought out with respect to designing functional government. I am curious what the displaced Cypriots on both sides of the issue have to say about restitution of property and a proposal that might be acceptable to everyone that would allow progress toward a unified and sovereign nation.

I am an outsider from across the Atlantic but have lived on Cyprus for extended periods in the 80s, 90s, and 2000-2001 and find it hard to understand how "Cyprus" was permitted to enter the EU with so much yet to resolve. In my opinion, premature entry into the EU has set back any possibility of an "Easy Solution."

Dur YOLCU.............., sana bir kadeh su ikram edeyim.

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