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cypezokyli wrote: by that u mean the ones who were born in cyprus?

yes

cypezokyli wrote:
this problem is really complicated. what do we do with a 16 year old second generation turk? kick his parents off and let him stay?

Yep its not simple I accept that. As per my prefered solution his parents would be allowed to stay, as per my 2nd prefered solution they would be encouraged (but not forced) to return to Turkey with financial incentives. If they return and their child is too young to remain on their own, they too will retirn with their parents but maintin Cypriot citizenship if they wish to return when they are older.

cypezokyli wrote:
is there a way to get a number in absolute terms on how many fall in these two classes?

Arte there any 'numbers' in Cyprus that are not disputed and subject to propaganda manipulations and exagerations?

BUT BACK TO THE SETTLERS ISSUE.....

I think that the settlers should be given the choice of either returning to Turkey as Turkish citizens with financial incentives, or to be given cypriot work permits (of 5-10years, giving them enough time to apply for cypriot citizenship if they wish), yet remain turkish citizens.

I think they should get work permits rather than citizenship because it would satisfy the GC 'request' of settlers not to be given citizenship(demographics etc..) but also satisfy the needs of the cypriot economy with jobs no-one else will do (i assume).

None of the Turkish settlers should be given immediate Cypriot citizenship, they should go throught the correct channels and apply properly, not just given it.

Only settlers married to TCs should be given Cypriot citizenship straight away.

All settlers living in GC property have not got any property rights regarding these properties and should be given other accomodation, depending on their status (be it economic migrant/cypriot citizen/other)

Dhavlos wrote:BUT BACK TO THE SETTLERS ISSUE.....

I think that the settlers should be given the choice of either returning to Turkey as Turkish citizens with financial incentives, or to be given cypriot work permits (of 5-10years, giving them enough time to apply for cypriot citizenship if they wish), yet remain turkish citizens.

I think they should get work permits rather than citizenship because it would satisfy the GC 'request' of settlers not to be given citizenship(demographics etc..) but also satisfy the needs of the cypriot economy with jobs no-one else will do (i assume).

None of the Turkish settlers should be given immediate Cypriot citizenship, they should go throught the correct channels and apply properly, not just given it.

Only settlers married to TCs should be given Cypriot citizenship straight away.

All settlers living in GC property have not got any property rights regarding these properties and should be given other accomodation, depending on their status (be it economic migrant/cypriot citizen/other)

Dhavlos, I more or less agree with you. I think the GC public will more easily stomach having "Turkish Citizens with work permits", since they are already used to this kind of thing with their Philippino, Egyptian, Ukranian etc. workers.

However, the property problem related to the settlers is not at all easy to solve. It is one thing to say "Turkish Settlers should not occupy GC properties", it is another to put it into effect.

A majority of the settlers are farmers. By definition they need much land to live/survive. Where will this land be found? Most state land is arable (ie not suitable for farming). That is why it belongs to the state, it didn't have value for anyone else ...

But even the simpler concept of building new houses on state land, will provoke much reaction. State land, after all, belongs to the people of Cyprus. Will they be willing to "share it" with the settlers? I suppose a "bitter but acceptable compromise" might be possible on this issue, if handing over state land is "the price to pay" for getting settlers to leave GC properties.

They're Turkey's problem...who's good friends Isreal recently dealt with the same problem they have.

are you asking Greek Cypriot people to accept an unaturally manipulated TC majority zone AND keep the illegal colonial settlers from Turkey too!?

How much more do you want us to be screwed!?

Main_Source wrote:They're Turkey's problem...who's good friends Isreal recently dealt with the same problem they have.

Yes, what happened in Israel these last few days sets an interesting precedent.

I do happen to believe that the "cleanest solution" is if all settlers are just relocated to Turkey, at the expense of the Turkish government, except those who by now have familial links with TCs.

Even though this solution will "hurt", in the long term it will bring about more peace and harmony.

If instead the settlers remain "on humanitarian grounds", they will end up being a hated underclass of disenfranchised workers, a source of friction - and perhaps violence - that will remain a problem for decades.

Going back to their original homes may cause the settlers some hardship to start with, but eventually they will re-settle into the culture that runs through their veins, and feel totally at home.

The ideas discussed in posts above, that some or most settlers might stay but as workers, and without staying in GC properties etc., are all in my mind "last resort options", if the total withdrawal of settlers does not prove feasible.

he ideas discussed in posts above, that some or most settlers might stay but as workers, and without staying in GC properties etc., are all in my mind "last resort options", if the total withdrawal of settlers does not prove feasible.

Alexandros,two wrongs will not make a right.IMO we should not force people born in Cyprus to leave their homeland.Most Cypriots know what that feels like and I am sure most will not want these people (who had no say in the matter btw) go through what we have gone through.I agree with Erolz that we should offer financial incentives to the other settlers to relocate to Turkey.This way those without any emotional links to Cyprus will leave voluntarily>The financial incentives should increase depending on their length of stay in Cyprus.They could also be given another incentive,like a promise that they will get preference to other foreign nationals if jobs become available that no one else wants.My point is that we need to deal with these people humanely if we want to be treated humanely ourselves.Think about it,everyone,two wrongs do not make one right.