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It has been made very clear by Greek Cypriots that Turk and Greek of Cyprus are incapable of living together and we all know we have to blame for that.

Everything could have been so, so, so different, if your EOKA Terrorists didnt start their Enosis Genocidal program and hadn't attempted to wipe Turks off the face of the Island how different today would be. If those racist bigots could find it in their heart to accept that Turks are human beings and that they could co-operate we could have lived side by side as we did prior to the collapse of the Ottomans.

Those days are gone, what has happened cannot be changed that guilt lies with those persueing evil Enosis progroms.

The solution is thus,

TURKISH CYPRUS WILL BE RECOGNISED, EMBARGO'S LIFTED AND THE IN-JUSTICE AGAINST OUR PEOPLE ENDED, AS IF TRYING BEING EXTERMINATED BY GREEKS ISNT BAD ENOUGH, WHEN OUR TURKISH BROTHERS USED THEIR LEGAL GUARANTEUR RIGHT TO COME AND FIGHT BY OUR SIDE IT WAS US WHO NOW HAS TO SUFFER FOR SELF DEFENCE!!!

I SPIT ON SUCH DOUBLE-STANDARDS.

The world will recognise Turkish Cyprus.

Azerbaycan, Kirgizistan, Kazakhistan, Brazil have, Pakistan is on the verge as are the Arab Gulf States and also England and America.

Turkish Cyprus for the Turks.

Greek Cyprus for the Greeks.

WHAT IS THERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, stick to each others side's we can tolerate each other like this and if Greek Cypriots learn to accept that Turks are equal to them, the border could be normalised for trade but that a big if and depends on the Greek side.

So thats it.

Two Nations, each side has its rights protected on their residing side, stop moaning and grow up,

KIBRIS TURKDUR TURK KALACAK

I am going to ignore all the propaganda crap and say this.

If thats the view of TCs, a separation would be fine by me, AS LONG AS you withdraw to 18% of the island. This is proportionate to your population and even generous to your current land ownership. Would you accept this fair and proportionate solution?

I fully agree with you Simon.

No, the borders stay as they are today, its all settled now end of story.

You should have thought about this before attacking my villages and killing innocent womans and kids between 1960-1974.

These are todays borders, this is how they will stay why are you complaining still your never happy, its due to greed that in Cyprus Greeks and Turks could'nt co-incide. I mean you could have had it all you would have had a majority stake in the government and had most influence over 100% of the Island. But ooh no that wasnt enough, apparently we just polluted the Island and werent fit to live among Greeks as Makarious and his EOKA Terrorist forces lightly put it so they attempted to eliminate us off the Island.

Now the Turks of Kibris are liberated and can live in peace without crazy Greek ENOSIS ideas and innocent villages are free from being attacked by racist armed lunatics, think NF'S with GUNS allowed to RUN RIOT, a horrible combination

Now you still have the same mentallity what a shame, I though you might have had a deep think and though about the suffering caused by such thoughts.

Turkish Cyprus is getting stronger everyday, Brazil just accepted to lift ambargo's, hey our new trade partner, I know who I'll be supporting in the world cup now

Face it guys, your gonna have to accept us one day, you may aswell get used to it now and accept your friends nations TURKISH CYPRUS, TRNC, KKTC

Your propaganda of a handful of assassinations of fanatical TMT murderers is merely a subtefuge Denktash has used to fraudulently allege that ordinary sensible human beings cannot live together.
The liquidation of less than a couple of hundred frothy mouthed fanatical TMT terrorists is hardly genocide. Always remeber that it is documented in UN resolutions, CoE documents and ECHR judments that the Turks have killed,raped ethnically cleansed many times more cilivilans.

If you genuinely can't live and integrate, coexist and cooperate with the majority of the cypriot community then you need to take buy a ticket to Ankara and be as fanatical and frothy mouthed as you like and then sensible ordinary hardworking Turkish Cypriots can coexist and work together with their Greek Cypriot compatriots for a harmonious prosperous and viable future together.

Agious
If you genuinely can't live and integrate, coexist and cooperate with the majority of the cypriot community then you need to take buy a ticket to Ankara

Or what, you'll start EOKA Terrorism again and start killing innocent villagers ooh how brave, bravo, your a real man hehe.

My home is Turkish Cyprus, I can visit my Turkish brothers in Ankara whenever I wish from our great airport which is being more and more used as every day goes by and as more nations lift embargo's against us

Do you want to see pictures of what your Armed Junta did to our innocent villagers, were the kids and woman terrorists please understand we are human and from 1960-1974 your forces tried to wipe us out of the Island there's no point denying it, even many Greek Cypriots are today ashamed of the crimes they comitted.

Remember you were killing civilians, you had an armed Junta we had villagers, your armed forces occupied the Island for 15 years, our forces used a Legal Guaranteur right to stop this Genocide and somehow its all our fault when will you ever learn to swallow your pride and accept that what is wrong is wrong. Also in a "War", people die, its a war, ie two opposition sides fight and people from either side's die, yes its very tragic that is why wars are terrible. When your forces were killing our villages there was no war, killing them and burning their villages is excusable.

Take a tip from an honest Greek guy

Aus
in the end is all crap. we cant live together....
so as i said the solution is simple.let em have what they have and let us keep what we have.

coming from a gc refugee family, i dont see what the big deal is about the gcs getting there home and land back
my dad has a house and land, and he says let em keep it, its just rubbish anyway.

its true. in my opinion the south side has been turned into an awesome place, with great clubs cafes and shops and a great lifestyle....
what does the north have? jack shit, so why would we want to mix for?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 2&start=30


What is the alternative? North Cyprus is Turkish, South is Greek, what do you intend to do, try and remove all Turks from the Island again and prompt another war and have to start all over again.

Turks arnt going anywhere neither are Greeks, WE SHOULD GET USED TO IT, remember the more you claim the whole of Cyprus the more Turks will do exactly the same please realise this and be open-minded.

The North is Turkish, the South is Greek, you comprehend right, so what is the alternative, no-ones gonna accept being forced to move all around the island, sorry we've all settled now our side is Turk your side is Greek we cannot co-incide we'll just start fighting again.

You like your Greek Cyprus right? so keep it you dont want hordes of Turks comming and taking over cos believe me they will hehe.

This way everyone is happy, there is no need to be greedy this is the way it is, as time goes by more and more nations will recognise Turkish Cyprus and the embargos will be lifted, theres nothing you can do chill out, were human aswell we deserve free land without having to worry about EOKA Terrorists devising new 'Akritos' plans, you dont have to worry about your xenophobic, paranoia of Turks.

I mean it is you saying you want a harmonious and peacefull existance, well what you complaining about then, this is the best harmony any of us can get, Greeks in the south in harmony with themselves and Turks in the North in harmony with ourselves case solved, get used to it, TRNC is the future.

A brief history of "Lala Mustafa Pasha" Mosque, which is the St. Nicholas Cathedral in the illegally occupied by the Turkish army Famagusta.

This was a great christian cathedral built in the 13th century. The barbarian Ottomans bombarded it and destroyed most part of it. Later on they added a minaret and it was turned into a mosque.

This story describes very well our friend Lala_Mustafa_Pasha. Just another barbarian that supports the usual Turkish tactics of killing, raping destroying and stealing what others have created.

Do you want to see pictures of what your Armed Junta did to our innocent villagers, were the kids and woman terrorists

Multiply that by about 100 to understand what we have suffered under the Turks. The invasion alone, in just days, had killed more Greek Cypriots (including many women and children) than the whole amount of TCs that had ever been killed in Cyprus. If you add the atrocities of TMT and the 3 centuries of oppression by the Ottomans you can clearly see that the Turks are far from the virgin Maries that they pretend to be (who believes them anyways?) and they are simply looking for excuses to continue their barbarian tradition.

It is time to end the dictatorship of the army in Turkey and finally turn turkey into a democratic country that would respect the rights of its own citizens and of its neighbors. As long as this dictatorship continues, more and more brainwashed people like Lala will appear and this will not help Turkey to become anything more than a third world country than it is today.

No, the borders stay as they are today, its all settled now end of story.

You can keep saying this like you always did as long as you can. In Cyprus there are no borders. There is the Turkish occupation and the illegal pseudo puppet state that Turkey has created. Sooner or later Cyprus will be liberated and people will be able to return to their homes.

No, the borders stay as they are today, its all settled now end of story.

I thought you would say that. Nothing is settled. This is simply greed in wanting more than what you should have. Those who are greedy end with nothing. Do you seriously think that GCs will leave it the way it is forever. If we do not get justice, then the war in my eyes restarts, and this time Greece will help us.

Please do not go on about the GCs were all to blame. Throughout history, the Ottomans and then Turks, have committed 100 times more crimes against us than we have against you. So your rubbish doesn't really hold water.

The recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is inevitable.

Yet, the obligations of the TRNC towards the human rights of Greek Cypriots would never be dropped. There is simply no way for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to get away with the properties of Greek Cypriots. That is why I believe it is important for her to start returning them now.

This is a joke, your each more brainwashed than each other yet think you can engage in civilised debate stop illuding yourselves.

I think you all need to read the book

"The Voice of Blood" - Antonis Angastiniyotis

In it he says

Greek Cypriot author, Antonis Angastiniyotis, who questioned Greek Cypriot nationalism in his written works and in his documentary "The Voice of Blood" drew attention to the mass massacres carried out by the Greek Cypriots against the Turkish Cypriots, dedicated his new article entitled, "Barbarism Against the Turkish Cypriots…The other side of the coin", to the Turkish Cypriot schoolchildren who were brutally massacred in Murataga in 1974 and brought to light the Greek Cypriot brutality.


In his article Angastiniyotis said:


"I'm constantly asked why I'm opening old wounds and not letting the past to be forgotten. The answer is very simple. The wounds are not old, otherwise there wouldn't be mothers dressed in black, weapons, soldiers and borders. Although I've lived on this island for 40-years, I only began to explore the other half of the realities last year and what I discovered bore a deep wound in my soul.


When I got over the propaganda wall and realized that people were knowingly hiding the other half of the reality or they were distorting the reality, the past now becomes a frightening 'present'. If you want to find more than one reality, you need to constantly dig the soil until your hands are bloody. If you talk, they say you are a traitor, threaten your life, and most of your friends turn their backs on you. You can be totally alone.


Loneliness no longer frightens me. For a long time now, at nights a group of children from Murataga come to my bed and together we read short stories. They smile happily at me because I have told their stories to the world, whereas I am engulfed in tears because of not being able to count the number of bullet wounds in their small bodies before they leave. The wounds cannot be old because when I wake up I find blood stains on my white sheets. The wounds cannot be old because up until now no one has apologized.


The animosity between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots is not new. It didn't start in 1974, or in 1963, nor when the Byzantium Empire collapsed. It started much earlier; it started during the Cain and Abel period. The start of the animosity is in the hearts of the people and as long as it remains there, we will seek the opportunity to bury Cain's dead body or take revenge from Abel.


The purpose of writing this book is social, not political. However, it is not possible to avoid the political aspects of the events. The main aim is to address every Cypriot, especially the Greek Cypriots. Because I also learned to look at the political situation of Cyprus from this point of view.


Both the domestic tension created by the 24 April 2004 referendum with the aim of reunifying the island (Annan Plan) and my daily contacts with the world, takes me to only one conclusion. Extreme nationalism that is deeply rooted in peoples' hearts is the biggest obstacle for people to reconcile. For the situation to change permission must be given to explain the realities regarding the dark corners of history. It's not possible for people to clean their souls without regretting what they've done and it's not possible for them to regret what they've done without acknowledging their faults.


The majority of the Greek Cypriot youth know very little about the events that led to the island's division. The tragic events of 1974 have been used as a huge curtain to cover up the real events that led to the division of the two people. In our schools it has always surprised me that while talking about the heroism of EOKA, they skip 15-years and continue with 1974. Either nothing happened between 1960 and 1974, or no one wants to discuss this. While researching the events during this period (1960-74), I realized that the second choice was right.


When I started to write this research, my cousin from Greece and her two daughters came to visit me and we started to discuss the events of 1963-74. The daughters knew nothing and what their mother knew was very confusing. At one stage of the discussion I mentioned some of the Greek Cypriot leadership's mistakes and all of a sudden this brought out the nationalist monster in my cousin who said: "Makarios' biggest mistake was not to have killed all the Turkish Cypriots in order for us to be comfortable".


This sweet and pretty woman, who couldn't even kill an ant, had suddenly turned into a killer who could carry out mass murders. She wanted a whole race to be wiped out. This is what I said to her: "In other words, do you mean taking out all the children from school, all mothers with their babies and all the men from their work places and taking them to a big hole in Messaria and murder them…Do you want to be one of the murders or the one of the persons using the bulldozer to cover the mass graves…"


There was silence. The example I gave helped her to understand the meaning of what she said. Then I started to speak again. "We tried this before in Ayvasil, Murataga, Atlilar, Taskent, but the only thing we succeeded in was soughing the fruits of our efforts".


Since our childhood we were taught that the Turks were barbaric dogs. My aunt used to say to me that they smelled because they weren't baptised. Whereas according to the Bible, we are modern Christians who love their environment. Then, why did our religious leader Makarios in 1964 say that 'If Turkey comes to intervene to protect the Turkish Cypriots, she will not find a single Turkish Cypriot to save…' The answer is clear. In Cyprus there is a saying, 'another priest's sermon'. In certain situations this enables us to hate. This book will deal with some of these special situations.


While there are those who claim that 'the Cyprus problem started in 1974 and the problem is an issue of invasion and can be settled if the invading forces withdrew from the island', the Turkish Cypriots know well what they would be faced with if Turkish troops left the island. Because the bitter pain of the 11-years before the arrival of the Turkish troops has not been erased from their memories. The EU should to Papadopoulos, 'the Turkish troops brought peace to Cyprus, they are the protectors of peace because as you arm yourself to take over the whole of Cyprus under the usurped title of the Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriots have the right to be protected and to protect their state against you'.


Those who peace, unification and reconciliation should see the realities and act realistically. The realities in Cyprus have been ignored for 40-years. These realities are the existence of two equal peoples in Cyprus with the right to self-determination and that neither one of these sides can dominate or represent the other and does not have the right to be the sole government of the whole of Cyprus…"



'Let's tell the truth so we can apologize'


http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?S ... 2258-7304r

WoW, I really respect this man at least he has the guts to tell it how it is and get rid of the brainwashing he suffered when he was young.

Piratis
This was a great christian cathedral built in the 13th century. The barbarian Ottomans bombarded it and destroyed most part of it. Later on they added a minaret and it was turned into a mosque.

Are you this brainwashed.

That was a Catholic Cathedral and it was Ventitian and had nothing to do with you, you were Orthodox, to Catholics you were Heretics and were wrong, the Greeks actually hated them so much they helped the Turks defeat them and get rid of them from the Island, its so Ironic that those Greeks felt the Turkish forces actually liberated the Island.

Pirates
This story describes very well our friend Lala_Mustafa_Pasha. Just another barbarian that supports the usual Turkish tactics of killing, raping destroying and stealing what others have created.

Aha this co-incides with the main article

Since our childhood we were taught that the Turks were barbaric dogs. My aunt used to say to me that they smelled because they weren't baptised.

Piratis, you are the kind of Looser Mr Angastiniyotis is describing, wake up.

Piratis
Multiply that by about 100 to understand what we have suffered under the Turks.

You need help man, 15 years of suffering Ethnic Cleansing 15 YEARS innocent people were killed, attacked and abused by EOKA Terrorists and at that time there was no war, the ONLY agressor was the Greek Junta.

When the Turkish Millitary came for legal liberation it was a WAR get it a WAR I know its hard for you to get your head around this but when there is a war two opposing sides with arms battle hence there are human casualties, is it nice no of course not and if you have a problem please question your EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta as there the ones who wanted the war sorry to be the one to have to break it to you.

Comparing people who died in war to innocent Turkish Cypriots massacred in peace time by Greek armed forces is ridiculous and actually quite disturbing

Piratis
It is time to end the dictatorship of the army in Turkey and finally turn turkey into a democratic country that would respect the rights of its own citizens and of its neighbors. As long as this dictatorship continues, more and more brainwashed people like Lala will appear and this will not help Turkey to become anything more than a third world country than it is today.

Dictatorship? where? haha, the only dicatatorship was when the Greek Junta was on the Island.

The Turkish Millitary has a lovely position on the island, if you took time to look you'd discover actually were a Democracy, we elect our leaders and the Millitary dont get involved.

With the Millitary here any cowardly Greek Junta forces no they can't even dare show their face on the border cos their simply no match to our brave forces, your only strong when faced against Innocent villagers

I cant wait to do my Millitary Service, I'll go to BesParmaklik and go to the top of the Mountain and shout TURKISH CYPRUS LIVES WHOS GONNA STOP US, just so you can here MrPiratis

Also if you took a look at the news you would also realise slowly but surely one nation after another is removing its ambargos and walking towards recognition.

Brazil Backs Removal of Sanctions on TRNC

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&t ... 0&hn=28832

Brazil Lends Shoulder to Turkey for Cyprus and UN

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=28899

Piratis, we suffered 15 years of EOKA Terrorism, we weathered the storm of ambargos and international isolation for over 20 years haha, its only made us stronger and toughened us up and increased our anger towards injustice you make us suffer.

But as you can see, the konger we hold out the better it becomes, Azerbaycan, Kirgizistan both our Turk brothers, now Brazil, Arab Gulf States, Pakistan also England and America I mean wake up, soon the world;s gonna accept, recognise and lift economic embargo's of NORTH KIBRIS.

Ah good things come to those who wait, its all gonna be worth it very, very soon hehe it already is, I'm off to get my Brazil shirt and support them in this World Cup, bye


BgTurk, maybe also they'll start paying us compensation for rounding us off into small enclaves, burning our villages and killing our people for 15 years, I mean fair is fair if they have grievences they have to realise our grievences are theres Multiplied by 100.

P.s, it writes your in Bulgaria? are you there? my Uncle has been he said there were loads of Turks there lol, jeeez were everywhere.