Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 9:54 amMicAtCyp wrote:Mic wrote: The fact is that the value of land when sold outside the juristiction of the State is infiniteKifeas wrote: What do you mean outside the jurisdiction of the state?
Wrong syntax or inaccurate explanation from my end perhaps...
An example of this would be for the Greek state to sell part of the border land of Greece to the Bulgarian State and abandoning any future juristiction on those lands. Or to sell lets say 16 square kilometers of land of Turkey to the USA to have them as completely sovereign and independent state or an extension of their American state.These sales are not permitted even if the buyer is willing to pay 100 times the value of that land. Sales of properties to other countries (e,g to have an embassy) are permitted as long as the State retains juristiction over those properties. Thats what I wanted to say.Kifeas wrote: My property in the north is not outside the jurisdiction of the RoC.
Exactly! And it has YOU in hand to substantiate her juristiction.Losing you and losing all the other GC refugees for TCs residing in the occupied, and you will see how much juristiction she will be left with in the end! So it has very valid legal reasons to protect her own existence as a state by depriving you that right, and like I said not even the ECHR can save you, because your individual rights are not superior to the rights of the State to protect itself. You can of course ask compensation for it as every other refugee.The state violated the rights of the refugees all these years to the worse possible degree.(My wife is a refugee by the way, so I know how you feel)wrote: Why not to any other E.U citizen or to a TC residing in the occupied areas? Have all these TC citizens of the RoC ever been deprived of their rights to buy and sell under the legal system of the RoC?
Well the fact is the TCs living in the occupied are deprived the right to sell or buy immovable properties in RoC.And you are also deprived your right to sell to TCs in the occupied.And there is not any chance that you would buy any land from a TC or a Gc in the occupied is there? Regarding the EU citizens tell me which one would be willing to buy your property and then buy it again from the TC who "has" it. And what if he buys it from you and the TC refuses to sell??
Of course I understand your question concerns the reasons why the RoC would deprive you the right to sell your property in the occupied to an EU citizen if that very remote possibility ever occured. To this question I say it will not deprive you that right. Because it will continue have control on that citizen through the EU.She will ask for her taxes for that property,for her 10% just for issuing the title and in case that EU citizen goes ahead developing that property "illegally" and violating all our laws he will be in so much trouble that he will curse the day he even bought it from you. And be sure many CID police will be watching his every step. I leave aside the fact that in the end he will not be able to sell it to anyone....
Mike,
We are talking about the sale of a private piece of land. The Republic continues to own all the state land, forestland and the entire infrastructure and continues to have jurisdiction. What nowadays defines state borders and state sovereignty, is not the ownership of private land, but the chart and resolutions of the U.N.
You are giving completely wrong examples in order to prove equally wrong assumptions.
It is like you are saying that if many GCs go to Turkey and buy private land in one single small area of south turkey, then the RoC can claim jurisdiction and ownership of that particular region due to the fact that the majority of private properties in this area are owned by citizens of Cyprus.
Or, is like saying that because the majority of Private land in Peyia village is owned by British citizens this entitles the British government to claim jurisdiction of the entire village of Peyia or even a portion of it.
Mike I understood your point and is no use to give me any more examples or arguments in favour of it. It is not a valid argument in my, and not only, opinion.
As for your assumptions regarding the status of TCs living in the occupied areas, again you are making very wrong assumptions. They remain to be equal citizens of the republic, in law and in practice. They have never been disqualified of being equal citizens. In the same way that they are not prohibited from crossing south, seek employment or medical care like any other citizen, and in the same way that they are issued passports and i.d. cards of the republic, without any discrimination; they are also equally entitled to own their properties either being in the north or in the south and they are also entitled to buy additional properties either in the south or in the north, as long as it is done on a legal basis.
It would have been a catastrophic development for the political and legal interests of the RoC to take an approach similar to the one you suggest or assume, regarding the status and treatment of TCs living in the occupied areas, irrespective of the fact that they support and /or maintain the regime in the north.
P.S.: Why then they were allowed to vote in the elections for the E.U. parliamentary elections together with the rest of Cypriot citizens?
