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Sorry guys i have not been able to keep up with this thread, so whats going on between you guys insan and mikkie, why are you taking pot shots at each other, i thought we established many times before that all cypriots suffered and comparing etc. gets us nowhere, if i have misunderstood or barged in your debate i apologise.

17. Moreover, the European Commission of Human Rights found the Government of Turkey responsible for gross massive and continuing violations of human rights in Cyprus, including murders, rapes, expulsions and refusal to allow more than 180.000 Greek Cypriot refugees, almost one third of the entire population, to return to their homes and properties in the occupied part of Cyprus (pl. see Report of 10 July 1976 on Applications on Cyprus against Turkey No 6780/74 and 6950/75, and Report of 4 October 1983 on Application of Cyprus against Turkey No 8007/77 of the European Commission of Human Rights).

Insan,

References to these reports by the CoE.

http://www.coe.int/T/E/human_rights/minorities/2._FRAMEWORK_CONVENTION_(MONITORING)/2._Monitoring_mechanism/3._State_reports/1._First_cycle/1st_SR_Cyprus.asp

The relevant report numbers are:

6780/74
6950/75
8007/77

Propaganda is it?

You are trying to cheat us with the interpretation of court of Cyprus with ECHR reports?

Insan,

On the contrary it is you that is confused.

The reports were written by the European Commission of Human Rights, not by the European Court of Human Rights, which superseeds it.

http://www.uniset.ca/microstates/24EHRR482.htm

The relevant applications were endorsed by the European Committee of Human Rights and adopted them in their report of 1976.

So Insan, can you say that many of the events described in these reports were false? How can it also be possible for you to form an objective opinion when your protectors have refused to cooperate on many of these humanitarian issues and they continue to do so to this day?

VI. Conclusion



374. The Commission, by 12 votes against one, finds that the incidents of rape described in the above cases and regarded as established constitute ' inhuman treatment' in the sense of Article 3 of the Convention, which is imputable to Turkey.


That's all. But what you are trying to do is to hoist your application documents on us as the reports of European Commission of Human Rights.

Turkey didn't participate in the proceedings because she does not recognize the so-called RoC.

Thats right Insan. Turkey refuses to cooperate on humatitarian issues or on any issues which she is guilty of to this very day. Convenient the excuse of non-recognition of the RoC isn't it.

In any case, the reports WERE adopted by the ECHR and as such they are valid. So do you accept that Turkish troops were raping women during and after the invasion?

I'm sure there are plenty of UN documents that corroborate many of these things as well as from independent organisations.

mikkie2 wrote:In any case, the reports WERE adopted by the ECHR and as such they are valid. So do you accept that Turkish troops were raping women during and after the invasion?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. 1974 was hell for both communities. My parents told me similar stories of GCs raping TC women. Nobody is innocent in Cyprus, you still don't get it?

It is very clear what alleged incidents were found imputable to Turkey. The fact is that you exploit those convictions for your exaggerated, bombastic propaganda needs. This is very clear.

Turkey does not formally recognize "RoC" and will not formally recognize "RoC".

It is easy to find 21 persons to give false testimony. Any TC or Turk were also able to find not only 21 but 500-1000 false witnesses to give ECHR such false testimonies. However, we don't need such dirty propaganda.

Insan wrote: Neither UN nor ECHR or any other human rights organizations have recorded such a human tragedy;

You do a good search in reports of UN officers and I am sure you will discover a lot of evidence. Furthermore when the testimonies themselves remain secret and private would you expect the victims to go to the European Court of Human rights to claim damages?
It seems my friend you do not even know how cases of rape are handled. Even in todays courts when the victim is underaged the trial is behind closed doors and the name of the victim remains private and secret. Publicity can destroy the life of the victim of rape completely
Go ahead ask Stavrinides, Drousiotis or anyone else you like. I expect you however to come back and admit the truth. Notice that to protect the private life of the victims our side never used that issue for propaganda. With the exception of some vague arguments for "many raped women" did you ever hear anything else? At least you should appreciate the hiding of this truth....

Insan wrote: However I believe I have the right not to believe the allegations of GC and Greek criminals, that is obvious that they created such allegations in order to erase their guilt, create international impression in favour of themselves, stay in power and put all the blame on other side.

It seems to me you are not listening. I told you and I am repeating you a thousand times.
I saw the victims with my own eyes, I heard their stories with my own ears, I had refugee classmates who lived through all these events

I don't want to write tens of examples here. Here is one from a family of refugees living for amost a year under the stairs of the building next to ours.:

The woman 35-40 y.o had with 4 children. She was being raped multiple times every day for 3-4 months.He husband was transfered to Turkey with other prisoners so she was alone with the children.First her husband was released and came to the free areas in Autumn. And after about a month she came also. The soldiers were forcing her to take drugs (propably hash) to have better sex with her. I saw her with my own eyes getting out in the streets shouting and screaming * she wants her "medicine" and get fucked by her "pashas" the one after the other. Her daughter was a teenager. We did not hear anything about the daughter, but my mother said both mother and daughter were at the Hospital for abortion. A year later all the family disapeared from Cyprus. They emmigrated abroad and never came back.

There was another refugee girl everybody knew that she was raped by the Turks. There was something strange in her behaviour the way she talked, the way she walked looking always on the ground hiding her face in her hair etc. After many years I heard she went to Greece and became a prostitute. The fact is than in this hypocritic society that we live the only use that girl could ever be is in fact sell her body for money...

* Drugs withdrawal symptom.

So far for your "PEACE OPERATION" Insan.....