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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:33 pm
by repulsewarrior
thank-you, dr.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:04 pm
by repulsewarrior
Our courage will be defined by this strong belief in Nation-States and Democracy, which if these two men (Denktash who opened the gates and Makarios who the Junta failed to kill) are to be called heros, we will identify this "oneness" in ourselves as an island, and as its island dwellers we will express this Unity in a State which is strong to defend our Individual Rights, while we sustain our National identities in Assembly, Bizonally, so that the Majority can demonstrate their inclusiveness toward the Minorities amongst them.

Enclaves, having the courage to say the word out loud, and using this concept for living in our geography again, is a demonstration of our will to support the efforts of the displaced everywhere, where they should return as communities, from where they were displaced from originally. (Or as in the Palestinian case, enclaved, and in need of Governance above "theirs" and their "adversary", for their free movement, association, and expression.)

Bicommunal is a "third way", which as yet "we" have not defined.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:05 am
by repulsewarrior
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:RW ... I think there is no place for "two communities" on Cyprus ... or complicated forms of Government!.

Why not one community of Cypriots ... made up of true RoC citizens ... not traitors ... not partisans to foreigners ... just EU members resident in Cyprus .... using their one vote to have a say!

Will not the 'traitors' include a large section of the GC population? :shock: :shock:

...there will be TC "traitors" too. but Cypriots will exist, Individuals who will still represent a Majority, as Persons, in their own National Assemblies, adding a countervailing power to those who put "Greekness" or "Turkishness" before the Universal Principals which as Humans we defend as a People, this island's dwellers united.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:46 pm
by Klik
Why are you trying so hard to create a new ethnic group out of two different ethnic groups? This is the last thing that will work out

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 pm
by repulsewarrior
...if you think Cyprus is "Greek" or "Turkish" then there is no room for us to grow as a State. The "new" ethnic group i presume you are referring to is Cypriot. Cypriots are neither of the above although within its population there are Greeks and Turks. After all these years of putting the Person before the Individual, it is hard to imagine that the extremists continue without the realisation that their Imperialism is not unlike the worst of our interlocutors, Turkey, which has been reduced to illegal occupations, ethnic cleansing, and corruption. is the only solution, except bloody war. Only that war will leave us as this island's dwellers with no Peace, no less subjugated to the murder which follows the Intolerant who have no identity to Human Betterment because in the mind of these Ignorant, Nations are States, States are Nations.

Re: Manifesto: for your consideration

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:11 am
by antifon
repulsewarrior wrote:

Manifesto for a virgin birth based on the Principals of our Constitution (that of 1960) for a Governance which is Bicommunal, and a redress for all Displaced Persons.

A letter to:

Christofias Demetris, President of the Republic of Cyprus
Mehemet Ali Talat, Cumhurbaskani (KKTC)
To all the Citizens of the island of Cyprus

I offer my humble observations in the hope that they may be a guide toward a solution which is a demonstration of our Humanity, as Cypriots.

As a basis of negociation there is a long history of resolutions, and proposals toward the Problem and its Solution.

For close to half a century we have struggled to define the meaning of that basic principal in our Constitution which makes our identity bicommunal. Bizonal has been less clear to us, as to meaning, and although it is the most important issue, land, we are far from clearing this impasse.

In my Cyprus the meaning of these words are clear.
And I believe, their consideration was well chosen by Makarios and Denktash.

Bizonal means two parts; with each part made up of components.

Bicommunal means two levels of government; in our case three governing bodies.

Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, has had a dysfunctional government from its advent. For whatever reasons, enclaves became a part of our geography, allowing for distinctions to form where Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots would grow apart. Now the displaced are measured in hundreds of thousands and the occupation by the Turkish Army remains, with the hope it will withdraw, when there exists reforms that Cypriots make for themselves as equal with a sense that their governance shall sustain them.

In my Cyprus the line which divides it in two would remain.

In my Cyprus some of the displaced shall return as communities, and all displaced shall have the Right of Return.

In my Cyprus in voting, in any election, people are defined by their residence, not by their ethnicity.

In my Cyprus a strong Central Government, with its Executive, and an Independent Judiciary will be Sovereign in defending our identities as individuals, our Individual Rights, and the Heritance which makes the island’s culture wealthy, beyond the interests of any single community of persons.

In my Cyprus there are two National Assemblies, where citizens represent themselves as persons, to have Jurisdiction over Territories defined, each as a Zone, providing to these electors the services they need in their daily lives in a manner where, they can as a majority sustain themselves first, while recognising their grace and providing for the special needs of minoroities amongst them.

In my Cyprus, enclaves, like jewels will be scattered across its map. Famagusta will be opened, Girne will remain, Komi Kebir will thrive, and a new township will be founded by Turkish Cypriots near Paphos.

In my Cyprus there is no need for the Military, even if there are many frontiers.

A Unitary State exists which which is in need of reform. The Principal of Bicommunality must be demonstrated as a useful political tool when people share a land and an identity between them. Cyprus is an island, afterall.

I imagine a Bicameral Legislature for the Government of our State. I imagine an Upper House, its seats divided equally between Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot representatives. I imagine a Lower House whose seats are filled by representatives Independent of National Parties, proportionally elected, who through their speaker choose amongst them voting members for all the Government Committees where they have seats, debating Legislation, and voting by consensus

A Leader, to win the Presidency, through his Party must gain a majority of seats in the Upper House. Thus, his/her ethnicity is of no importance having to provide candidates to fill all the seats.

The voter shall vote thricely, once from each of three slates: an Independent, a Turkish Cypriot, and a Greek Cypriot representative.

Futuristically, over 200 years, we must consider having a population of 12 million. The mono clonal tendancies of today, when isolation is removed, and when our EU membership is beyond its advent, will no longer resist the changes of a world far more associated, and I hope at peace in the Middle East, and Africa. Bicommunality will allow us to choose as persons our identity, while as individuals equal we will seek to work toward our betterment as Human beings embracing the changes the future brings in our demographics as the most Socialised Country in the World..

Without our representation in National Assemblies we cannot provide to our culture another facet which enriches it, nor can its two counterparts be sustained any other way.

With a Unitary State we represent ourselves as this island’s dwellers, our expression as Human beings toward acts of betterment above any Nationality, as the Stewards for this Heritage, for the love of its trees, and of its relics, that are even older than the cultures in which we wish to sustain ourselves, (to Neolithic times). This history if you are Cypriot is interwoven in your own. It is a single line unbroken; we can remain great cooperators, yet for the first time in thousands of years, we can be free from subjugation.

Rise up citizen, if you disagree with my proposal, choose one that is better, and more Just.

Send it to our leaders, they need our help now.

My name is repulsewarrior, and as a citizen of the world you can find me on google.

Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, and Free.

are there corrections which can be made? will you sign this letter with me?
is there a Solution which is better or more Just?

Some of your ideas are very good.

The Republic of Cyprus works wonderfully. No need to change it. The remaining 10% of T-Cypriot population can easily be integrated into the society once Turkey packs up and goes. All that is needed is a period (perhaps 6 years) to reinstitute properties and the normal way of living across the entire country.

Your solution will make a wonderful solution for Turkey, as very soon the irreconcilable differences between Turks and Kurds will surface in the most violent manner.

I also don't like it how you ommitted quotes from writing "KKTC". Is that in an effort to suck up to the occupiers?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:22 am
by repulsewarrior
quotes on "KKTC" is a good point which i did not think of really, too busy avoiding TrnC...

rereading the manifesto, obviously there are wordings i'd like to change...

...glad that you can see the potential for Turkey, (and Israel/Palestine as well)

although the RoC does work well, as evidence, its economy and its ability, having joined the EU, it does not mean that we should deny the eventual change to the demographic, in a world that is highly mobile. if anything we are now "Europeans" not "Greek" or "Turkish" as a State, and our Constitution as such is in need of reform. Thus, National Assemblies, within a Bicommunal Principal, will sustain our Greekness, and our Turkishness (as well as our Maronite and Armenian identities) as a part of an internal political structure. Being multilingual, as a State, offers to us many opportunities in facilitating exchange with Global partners, as our Official Languages can be expanded to suit aims that we as Cypriots set for ourselves.

it is a dream to think that we can return to the past as it once was. it is not prudent either. Turkey, our closest neighbour may be suffering from its stagnation, trapped by Kemalists who resist change. however, nothing remains the same, our own reinvention, when embraced, will act as a catalyst which the world in the Information Age needs. power is the number of bts and bytes we can produce, and if we represent a gratitude to Mankind for the end of our subjugation of thousands of years, it must in essence offer a new way of thinking; ending the worn concept of the Nation being the State, People as Individuals indivisable from an ethnic identity, rather the State a defender of Personal Right having an identity of many Nations which support as one Universal Principals.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:33 am
by repulsewarrior is up to the Greek Constituency to lead, being the much larger majority. as a body, their own representation is needed. they need to form their own governance, as Turkish Cypriots have done. as equals the various Constituencies we choose to form will allow for their sustenance, "by the People for the People" but as Persons. we cannot deny this, although as Individuals there remains a far greater aim as members of a Family called Mankind. Cypriots as Cypriots, first. Greeks as Greeks that respect the minorities amongst them, so too Turks who extend their goodwill to "others".

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:07 pm
by Filitsa
Klik wrote:Why are you trying so hard to create a new ethnic group out of two different ethnic groups? This is the last thing that will work out

If I may, it is my understanding that repulsewarrior suggests - and please correct me if I'm wrong - not a new ethnicity but rather a nationality. They can be mutually exclusive.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:04 am
by repulsewarrior cannot escape your Nationality, whether you are born in a State of that Nation or not.

...for those who insist that Cyprus is Greek, there is a correctness in the argument but irrelevant in the Modern context. States support Principals whose identities are Universal; many Nations exist within a State. Cypriots have committed themselves to the rest of Mankind, toward defining this Bicommunalism.

...if we wish to emulate the Kemalists, our movement forward as a people will meet with the same resistance. "Greekness" like "Turkishness" is not a qualification that can justify Intolerance and exclusivity. Cyprus, Cypriots, who are Sovereign, are Greek, only if there are island dwellers like them who are not Greek, who are equals in its Stewardship, because they stand united as a People without any other distinction.

As Individuals we have only one Identity, this is the fact that has escaped our debate, even if as Persons we sustain identities which are different.

...again, where is the Greek Constituent State?