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Er no, I don't wish and have never said that I want to have more of a say. We have our own heritage, our own identity and are here to stay. Just like the Scots Irish of Northern Ireland who have their own assembly and SHARE POWER on an equal footing.

Muzzy70 wrote:Er no, I don't wish and have never said that I want to have more of a say. We have our own heritage, our own identity and are here to stay. Just like the Scots Irish of Northern Ireland who have their own assembly and SHARE POWER on an equal footing.

All those nations would be insulted to be compared to the Turks.

As you say you may be "here to stay" ... which is an admission you came here and are not indigenous as are the Scots etc to their lands .....

Muzzy70 wrote:Kifeas, Surely you will accept that in Cyprus 'ethnic cleansing' goes both ways. My late grandfather fled from Terra in 1955 and again from Kaymakli in 1963. I accept and acknowledge the bitterness of your community concerning Turkey's intervention in 1974 but can you tell me why my father and his father cried for joy when Turkey landed ?

Again you succumb to the now tried and tested view of the G/C community to harp on about majorities and minorities but you are going to have to change this mindset in order for a compromise to be made. This is a fact. Am I not as much of a Cypriot as you ? If the answer is yes then I am your equal. You cannot deny this and for once this is something that the G/C community has got to come to terms with.

Muzzy, as far as I and the rest of the GCs are concerned, your father was and is free to go to Kaymakli or Terra, anytime he wished, and most definitely his property is still there and in his name! He has never been denied his rights by any authority! What minority and majority are you talking about? I only said that you cannot claim the ownership of any place and run a referendum to determine its fate, in the absence and after its indigenous and legitimate inhabitants were expelled from it, and yes; north Cyprus belongs also to the 180,000 GCs which are the lawful inhabitants and own the vast majority of properties there -therefore you have to ask them as well; but it does not belong to the 100,000, or so, of illegal settlers from Turkey which you are going to ask their opinions in the "referendum" you suggest! It is as simple as that! No such referendum, as you suggest it, will ever receive and enjoy the slightest of legitimacy!

There are international laws and rules as to when a referendum by any group of people can be taken seriously and be respected! In your case, it doesn't qualify, for the reasons I have explained above! You are not the sole owners of that part of Cyprus, or any other part for this matter, neither those from turkey that you going to include in the voting have any right to have an opinion upon another people's homeland! Is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

Muzzy70 wrote:Er no, I don't wish and have never said that I want to have more of a say. We have our own heritage, our own identity and are here to stay. Just like the Scots Irish of Northern Ireland who have their own assembly and SHARE POWER on an equal footing.

Yes, you can have your own heritage and identity like say the Blacks of UK, and nobody ever denied these things to you.

But unlike the Scots you do not own a separate territory, so you can't demand that we should be ethnically cleansed from our lands so you can artificially create some separate entity like Scotland on lands that belong by 80% to us. The Scots didn't steal Scotland from the English, right?

There were written records of the native inhabitants of the British Isles from over 300 B.C.

phoenix wrote:Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.

Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.

He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts).

Where were the Turks at that time?

Kifeas, my late grandfather travelled to Tera with his family after the border was opened. His house no longer exists, it was demolished along with others. There is a picture of him standing in front of an empty space where his house should be. The picture is haunting as he looks so incredibly sad. My dad has told me that he will never cross over to the south to see his village until there is a political settlement. That is his perogative. At this rate, and judging by the bile espoused on this site, he will never see his village again.

For gods sake when are you Greek Cypriots going to wake up to the realities that an end-game is now taking place in Cyprus. You are in such a comfort zone concerning your own legitimacy that you are blind as to what this end game will be. International politics has moved on. One state will eventually recognise the TRNC followed by another, then another and another and another and another. It's going to happen so bloody well WAKE UP.

Panic!

Panic indeed Oracle. How I will be reminding you of this when you are crying about the recognition of the TRNC ! Another blind fool.

What evidence do you have that there are any legitimate signs of a recognition of the illegal "trnc"?

If there were any such signs and I was a Turk .... I would just wait for full recognition, and not do what you are doing right now, which is trying to trick the Cypriots (us!) into accepting some formula to appease you.

Muzzy70 wrote:Kifeas, my late grandfather travelled to Tera with his family after the border was opened. His house no longer exists, it was demolished along with others. There is a picture of him standing in front of an empty space where his house should be. The picture is haunting as he looks so incredibly sad. My dad has told me that he will never cross over to the south to see his village until there is a political settlement. That is his perogative. At this rate, and judging by the bile espoused on this site, he will never see his village again.

For gods sake when are you Greek Cypriots going to wake up to the realities that an end-game is now taking place in Cyprus. You are in such a comfort zone concerning your own legitimacy that you are blind as to what this end game will be. International politics has moved on. One state will eventually recognise the TRNC followed by another, then another and another and another and another. It's going to happen so bloody well WAKE UP.

You are correct in saying international politics have moved on...The RoC is in the EU and with that someones fate is sealed...you can guess whose...

For the sake of the argument let us assume you are correct in saying that international politics has moved on, isn't what you want?...My question is, whats with the warnings?...

By your own admission the Annan 2 was not favourable for the tcs and that was ok by you and the international politics...with the Annan 5 don't the gcs deserve the same to say no to?...or you think the game is played differently with gods gift to humanity with the chosen race...