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Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:12 pm**

So that one is a non-starter for AA :lol:

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:06 am**

cannedmoose wrote:
Alexandros Lordos wrote:
suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
Alexandros Lordos wrote:How about this solution? All GCs go to Greece, all TCs go to Turkey, all Jews from Israel come to Cyprus, which will then be declared to be a Jewish State, and what is now Israel becomes the state of Palestine. That way, the Cyprus Problem and the problems of the middle east are all solved in one master stroke!

Mr Lordos

Not so far from the truth. At one time it was suggested to an Ottoman Emperor that Cyprus indeed be given as a homeland for the Jews by his Grand Vizier. Needless to say it never transpired.

Is that so?

Sorry to burst folks' bubbles here, but that was a rumour only, there is no evidence that there was an actual plan to mould Cyprus into a Jewish state.

The rumour is that in the late 1560s, Don Yosef Nasi, Duke of Naxos, a Jewish Portuguese nobleman forced to live in Constantinople through fear of the Inquisition, encouraged Sultan Selim the Second to declare war on Venice in order to conquer Cyprus. The Grand Vizzier Mehmet Sokolli had tried to dissuade the Sultan from doing so.

Don Yosef proved the more insistent and persistent and managed to persuade the Sultan to go to war with the Venetians. The rumour is that Don Yosef intended to promote Cyprus as a place of settlement for Jews from across Europe and the Middle East, which may well have been true. Certainly the rumour spread across the courts of Europe where it was believed that Don Yosef Nasi had persuaded the Sultan to grant him rulership over Cyprus, although no evidence is apparent to support this claim.

The crux is that while the Ottoman's were successful in taking over Cyprus, their invasion sparked the creation of a powerful coalition against them of Spain, Venice, Rome and Austria, which resulted in the near destruction of the Ottoman fleet at the battle of Lepanto in 1571. Thus, the victory in Cyprus proved to be a pyrrhic one and one from which the Ottomans never fully recovered in terms of naval supremacy in the eastern Mediterranean.

As a consequence, Don Yosef and other pro-war agitators became discredited in the Ottoman court. Any offer that had been made to him over Cyprus was certainly not honoured and the rumour entered folklore.

Mr cannedmoose

Thank you for clarifying my thoughts.Appreciated.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:39 am**

Mr cannedmoose

Kinross??

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:27 am**

The best would be to bring back the previous status quo , before the invasions and the killings,in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:02 pm**

before the invasion or before the killing this two is different.
Invasion began at 74. Killing began at 60 . I think.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:35 pm**

Murtaza wrote:before the invasion or before the killing this two is different.
Invasion began at 74. Killing began at 60 . I think.

at 63..

But even insisting on pre-63 conditions is either badwill or ignorance. It is 1960 constitution which resulted in following disasters. Repating it is meaningless.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:06 pm**

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:Mr cannedmoose

Kinross??

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:11 pm**

detailer wrote:But even insisting on pre-63 conditions is either badwill or ignorance. It is 1960 constitution which resulted in following disasters. Repating it is meaningless.

Exactly, I've never understood those who see 1960 as a panacea, or the years between 1960 and 1963 as some sort of goldon period of Cypriot independence. Those years were characterised by deadlock, growing tension, massive import of weapons which both sides intended to use against each other when the time came and mutual intimidation.

PLUS, I also find it difficult to understand how the 1960 Constitution, an interweaving of three Treaties that denied Cyprus real independence and a Constitution so prescriptive that one could barely wipe one's backside without reference to one of its clauses, can possibly be a workable solution today. Any solution will require a flexible approach from everyone and will have to be a work in progress. Constitution's are rarely perfect from day one and do require amendment, it's just how both sides undertake those amendments that will prove a new Constitution's real worth and how people are willing to deal with each other.

A return to 1961? No way, a recipe for disaster more like.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:50 pm**

The island to be the way it was before the invasions and the killings and no any foreign soldiers.Also i think the british should depart from the island as well.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:52 pm**

cannedmoose wrote:A return to 1961? No way, a recipe for disaster more like.

Of course you wouldn't want it ,its too...just and you would lose all the lands that Turkey has conquerd wouldnt you.

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