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I think we should spend our energy only on arguments that stand a chance of beeing heeded by both communities. In my view there is no way the TC's will accept anything less than equal political rights and power in the zone they will administer. This should be accepted by the GC's because it will open the way for the solution quite readily and it is not a great sacrifice for all of us given that the alternative is partition. Also, with this concession we send the proper signals to the TC's who will then be more open to changes on the A Plan.

This should be accepted by the GC's because it will open the way for the solution quite readily and it is not a great sacrifice for all of us given that the alternative is partition.

This kind of "acceptable" where one site is forced to accept something against their human and legal rights is not going to lead to peace and the circle of blood with continue. This is not the solution. This is simply legalizing the violations of our human rights.

A good solution is the one that will be based on universal principles of human rights and democracy, and not the one that will come out of the balance of power.

Piratis wrote: A good solution is the one that will be based on universal principles of human rights and democracy, and not the one that will come out of the balance of power.

Fine in theory. In practice we can not (apparently) agree what the pinciples of human rights mean in a Cypriot senario. We claim that the TC community has some right to some form of SD - you deny this right. You claim it is a principle of democracy that representation is directly related to numerical numbers - I claim it is not.

if I had a pound for everytime I have had to make this argument on this forum I would have enough for a good meal by now. No doubt before we find a settlement I would have enough for a feast for me and several friends and family)

You would have realised by now that saying the same thing over and over is not going to make it true.

A successful solution must ensure that Cypriots have the same rights as all other Europeans. A reheated bizonal Annan plan will not deliver this. A unitary state with affirmative action/ Equal oportunity policies for all minorities is the only acceptable solution.

Agios Amvrosios wrote: You would have realised by now that saying the same thing over and over is not going to make it true.

I realise this. I do not say it over and over agin because I am trying to make it true. I am saying it over and over again because it is true - and I have supported my view with reasoned and logical arguments as far as I am concerned.

Agios Amvrosios wrote:A successful solution must ensure that Cypriots have the same rights as all other Europeans. A reheated bizonal Annan plan will not deliver this. A unitary state with affirmative action/ Equal oportunity policies for all minorities is the only acceptable solution.

This is your view / belief but it should be recognised that it is at odds with the view of the UN, EU, UK, USA and your OWN democraticaly eleveted government (unless you wish to argue that what your governments says it accpets is in fact a lie?)

OK Pirati whatever you say. You just cannot realise that you have to bring something that would convince T.Cs. OK we are not happy with the status quo, but we are not so naive to vote yes to everything you offer. There must be some way in the middle. Besides there can be nothing less than a federal solution, which the T.Cs will be majority in their own area. We can sacrifice land but not our rights. More G.Cs can turn back to their homes, but one man one vote will simply paralise our political rights, which you call it democracy. One man one vote will only benefit the G.C cause who always claim "H Kypro einai elliniki"

To have a separated land where you limit the GC who live their, when it is their ancestrol and naturalised home is another form of ethnic cleansing.

You seem to want GC to suffer because this is our natural home and we are the majority...but you superpower Turkey behind you and you can ask for the sky.

Why should you get special treatment? Do the Maronites ask for such special treatment? Have learned nothing from the past? Or is this a no lose situation you are trying to create for yourselves?

Dear Garbich

You say" Besides there can be nothing less than a federal solution, which the T.Cs will be majority in their own area. We can sacrifice land but not our rights."

Unfortunately you have chosen to take an area which is not yours. less than 8% of the occupied areas are owned by Turkish Cypriots. The only comparable examples of ethnic separation in similar terms in modern countries ,to the ones you are suggesting are the Autonomous Indian Reservations in the USA.These reservations are in the middle of nowhere and make up a pretty negligable percentage of total land use. The Question is do you want to wear face paint and wear feathers on your head?

i am ok with power sharing in the gov't but bizonality is something that i can only agree with only if the refugees are allowed to return because i do not see its necessity in satisfying any of your human rights but rather a way thta violates human rights of GCs.

also, i must say i am getting quite sick of the fearing living with GCs and all that bullshit arguments. if Turks and Greeks (who have a much longer history of violence between each other) can live together hang out together and all that i dont see what the problem is between cypriots. to me this is either
a) a load of crock people use to satisfy their excessive and unnecessary demands
b) stupidity on the part of the person using this argument (probably obtained from the bs propaganda spread by turkey and the tc politicians)

also, i must say i am getting quite sick of the fearing living with GCs and all that bullshit arguments. if Turks and Greeks (who have a much longer history of violence between each other) can live together hang out together and all that i dont see what the problem is between cypriots.

Turks and Greeks living together, hanging together? Where?
West Thrace maybe - I hope you are not suggesting the status of TC is reduced to MGC (muslim greek cypriots).