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Turkcyp,

well, these are all valid points, imo, and the consensus in the RoP is that we didn't want to enter the EU for either economic or social reasons: it was all about the problem... We felt that joining the EU was a strategic milestone in our quest to 'break' Turkey's intransingence (spelling?) on Cyprus, and our accession was supposed to act as a catalyst to solving it, because Turkey was the problem all these years (I am not trying to annoy you or anyone, I'm just telling you the rationale behind our strategy, as it was formed in the collective GC mindset).

Saint Jimmy wrote:Turkcyp,

well, these are all valid points, imo, and the consensus in the RoP is that we didn't want to enter the EU for either economic or social reasons: it was all about the problem... We felt that joining the EU was a strategic milestone in our quest to 'break' Turkey's intransingence (spelling?) on Cyprus, and our accession was supposed to act as a catalyst to solving it, because Turkey was the problem all these years (I am not trying to annoy you or anyone, I'm just telling you the rationale behind our strategy, as it was formed in the collective GC mindset).

Dear Jimmy,

Tell me something we do not know. As I have said there is no economic argument for Cyprus being a part of EU being beneficial, but lots of political arguments.

Take care,

Oh, ok, I didn't mean to be a wise-ass, I thought you were wondering why the hell we got in, if there's no reason

Saint Jimmy wrote:Oh, ok, I didn't mean to be a wise-ass, I thought you were wondering why the hell we got in, if there's no reason

Do not be sorry. I actually admire cocky people.

turkcyp

I do not want to be a part of EU as well, and I have never understtod why GCs wanted to be a part of it. Apart from political reasons, there are very few economic benefits to small countries like Cyprus or Malta.

Dont you think, if Greek Cyprus is the govt of all Cypriots and all of Cyprus that we T/C would have been given the opportunity to debate and vote for / against such an important decision. I would have voted against it like I think many T/Cs.

KELEBEK wrote:Dont you think, if Greek Cyprus is the govt of all Cypriots and all of Cyprus that we T/C would have been given the opportunity to debate and vote for / against such an important decision. I would have voted against it like I think many T/Cs.

Dear Butterfly,

Stop preaching to the choir. I long claimed that RoC being in the EU without TC community approval is unconstitutional according to 1960 constitution. But in the real world, politics always beats the law, and we have never played the game of politics correctly.

When UN security council (which is a politically motivated body) started accepting GC administration of Cyprus as the representative of RoC in 1964, we should have tried our best to stop this political outcome. Because after that political decision, international law is shaped according to that political decision, so in every international law discussion, GCs represent the whole Cyprus.

Remember in every case, politics make the laws and define what is legal and what is not.

KELEBEK wrote:do i sense resentment

There are many T?c residing in North Cyprus who are against it too! Dont forget D.Eroglu`s UBP is anti-EU and is the second largest party in the North.

Resentment? Why?

All I am trying to point out is that when someone has to look at things from a distance then he or she can dismiss some ideas without thinking too much about them. EU membership, especially for a small country like Cyprus, means several opportunities and advantages that in the long run can make a big and positive difference to the life of the people over here.

O.

turkcyp wrote:Do not be sorry. I actually admire cocky people.

That's cool. I'm just not one of them

turkcyp wrote:I do not want to be a part of EU as well, and I have never understtod why GCs wanted to be a part of it. Apart from political reasons, there are very few economic benefits to small countries like Cyprus or Malta.

These kind of small countries thrives on tourism, and real estate investment. These small countries could do much much better if they are outside the EU and without the intensive EU regulations. Economic gain usually goes to ocuntries with huge agriculture sector.

I for one never supported TC community being a part of EU union. The only good thing about EU is its insistence of supremacy of law, which I belive can be achieved by ourselves if we are disciplined enough.

I too doubt the value of a country like Cyprus being in the EU. Certainly there are some benefits but to me unless you have a significant manufacturing base and want access to EU markets then in balance it's better to keep your sovreignty. You can of course choose to use any EU legisaltion that you want - but are not forced to do so. Anyway its a done deal now (for the RoC anyway).

turkcyp wrote:When UN security council (which is a politically motivated body) started accepting GC administration of Cyprus as the representative of RoC in 1964, we should have tried our best to stop this political outcome. Because after that political decision, international law is shaped according to that political decision, so in every international law discussion, GCs represent the whole Cyprus.

With hindsight this should have been challeneged back then. However back then the TC community was totaly at the mercy of the stronger and antagonistic GC community. Accepting the GC only government was a pratical 'necessity' to accepting a UN peace keeping force. The UN could and would only send a force if a cyprus government asked for it - and at that time there was only a GC government and no time to argue about 'legitimacy'. In the end that decsion has cost TC (and imo all cypriots) dearly but could you have said - no do not send a peace keeping force to the island if it means giving de facto recognition of the GC only RoC as the legitiemate government of all of cyprus?

the name of the game is not industry or manufacturing anymore it is services,and cyprus by joining the EU can and hopefully will become a hub of services such as banking,telecom,tech,tourist,shipping and many more for the EU towards the east and south.