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B25 wrote:

Get Real! wrote:

Lordo wrote:

Get Real! wrote:

Lordo wrote:...it produces an egg is which is like dust and once it attaches to the eye of a human

Botflies never "attach to the eye" so I don't know where you got that from... oh wait! Same place where you get the rest of your bullshit from:

You rear end...

i get a feeling your eyes are there gr.

any how, here it is.

That’s definitely an isolated case and I’ll bet a mosquito was the carrier of the egg.

GR mate, give it up, you can't win with these non believers, whatever you say, they demand proof. They, however, CANNOT prove that a GOD does not exist, for the believer it is enough to have this faith period. Save your time and effort.

On the other hand, we can easily disprove the contention that the so-called perfection we are said to witness when contemplating the universe (specifically said to be in aesthetic terms) points to intelligent design by drawing attention to any aesthetic defects we observe in the universe.

Tim Drayton wrote:

Get Real! wrote:Those fools who question why God created one creature or the other need only ask one question…

“What kind of God would create an idiot like me?”

And in that I'd have to agree with you...

Yes, but God did create that idiot you despise. So why? If God is perfect and everything is God's intelligent design why did that perfect God create that imperfect idiot? You still haven't explained it.

I must admit I’m as baffled as you are when it comes to comprehending the existence of idiots like Milti and Lordo, and the fact that they survived this long without running into a lamppost and suffering a fatal concussion or something, is truly amazing! I throw my hands in the air…

Tim Drayton wrote:The warthog is generally considered to be an extremely unattractive animal in visual terms. If the universe was intelligently designed by God to achieve the maximum positive aesthetic effect, how do you explain this cock up? Since God is supposed to be perfect, it is tanatamount to denying the existence of God to say that he made a mistake.

You don’t seem to have understood what I meant by ugliness.

What we see in the universe does not appear to have been created as a result of an explosion, a collision, or some other forceful event or the objects would’ve been asymmetric, erratic, non-uniform, and thus ugly.

Those who have seen a used bullet after striking a wall or bone would know what I’m talking about.

Instead, what we see in the universe is beautiful symmetric shapes, amazing positioning of objects (see galaxy types), a myriad of diverse complex compositions of objects, and even nice uniform colors or combinations thereof.

Get Real! wrote:... what we see in the universe is beautiful symmetric shapes...

Not the warthog it would seem, or a toe covered in warts.

B25 wrote:GR mate, give it up, you can't win with these non believers, whatever you say, they demand proof. They, however, CANNOT prove that a GOD does not exist, for the believer it is enough to have this faith period. Save your time and effort.

I think the ultimate stupidity of Man is to be aware of the universe's existence, its size, complexity, and composition, yet disregard or downplay the kind of MAGIC it would take to make it happen.

A much smaller example would be finding a super space ship that is light years ahead of our technology in the middle of a field on Earth, and insisting that a more intelligent life form does NOT exist!

Well hello? If it’s not of this Earth then who put it together?

A view of the Alps:



I'm sorry. I have looked and I don't see any symmetry there. Just random shapes.

Tim Drayton wrote:The warthog is generally considered to be an extremely unattractive animal in visual terms. If the universe was intelligently designed by God to achieve the maximum positive aesthetic effect, how do you explain this cock up? Since God is supposed to be perfect, it is tanatamount to denying the existence of God to say that he made a mistake.

A warthog:

Well perhaps that is the optimum best a warthog could look in the environment it found itself evolving in!

No one is saying God sat there with a chisel...a calculator would probably have sufficed!

From humanity's perspective, the big bang, nature, evolution and everything in between has worked conveniently, like this;



Would you agree to that?!

T_C wrote:No one is saying God sat there with a chisel...a calculator would probably have sufficed!

The warthog is just fine… it has symmetry, a uniform color, and is a great survivor.

Tim, is just being silly because he hates losing arguments!

Tim Drayton wrote:A view of the Alps:
I'm sorry. I have looked and I don't see any symmetry there. Just random shapes.

It’s amazing that even the mountains in the picture seem to be based on the sawtooth waveform while slopes seem based on the sinusoidal waveform!

You just don’t understand shapes or families of shapes… indeed your view-port of the world appears to be unobservant and thus lacking in fine detail.

There's absolutely no symmetry in those mountains. On the other hand, beat an egg in a cup, leave it to stand for a while then pour the contents out and you will find that a symmetrical ring will have formed around where the top of the liquid was. This is because the content that leaves a stain rises to the top and the cup is symmetrical in shape. Where there is an environment that is conducive according to natural laws to the formation of a symmetrical shape, this will happen, and where there isn't, it won't. It is as simple as that.