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Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yes.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

Xerxes: Lokum.

Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Activist: And the ending of serfdom

Stan: Oh yes... and an end to serfdom, Reg, you remember what it used to be like.

Reg: All right, I'll grant you that, lokum and the end of serfdom are two things that the Ottomans have done...

Matthias: And the coffee...

Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously the coffee ... the coffee goes without saying. But apart from lokum, the end of serfdom and the coffee...

Another Masked Activist: freed the Greek orthodox church from the tyranny of Catholicism ...

Other Masked Voices:Improved water supply... granted freehold land title to the peasants that had farmed it for centuries as serfs...

Reg: Yes... all right, fair enough...

Activist Near Front:And shisa ...

Omnes: Oh yes! True!

Francis: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Ottomans left, Reg.

Masked Activist at Back: Hammans !

Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis:Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.
(more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg: All right... all right... but apart from improved sanitation and lokum and giving land to peasants and coffee and irrigation and ending serfdom and and hammans and public order... what have the Ottoman/Turks done for us?

Xerxes:Brought peace!

Reg:(very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!

Just going to get my popcorn and wait for the fun to start

This daft thread is the CyProb itself in a nutshell!

Erol, who was recently telling us about his dream of a future united Cyprus, now comes and posts this little gem knowing all too well that the Ottomans are/were the arch-enemy of the native Cypriots! So go figure…

Anyway, I'll play along Erol!

Ever heard of Georges Clemenceau?

Prime Minister of France on two occasions... 1906-1909 and 1917-1920.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Clemenceau

He wasn’t very kind to Turks/Ottomans...

“There is no instance, in Europe, in Asia or in Africa, where the establishment of Turkish domination over another country has not resulted in a reduction of material prosperity and a decline in civilization. Wherever Turkey has emerged victorious it has brought catastrophe..."

chill out

Didn't even notice the section... still though, us native Cypriots are quite touchy when it comes to the Ottomans.

Something you should be aware of…

Get Real! wrote:... still though, us native Cypriots are quite touchy when it comes to the Ottomans.

Or the Greeks for that matter

erolz66 wrote:

Get Real! wrote:... still though, us native Cypriots are quite touchy when it comes to the Ottomans.

Or the Greeks for that matter

Both Correct.
I swear before the throne almighty a United Cyprus would have been the Singapore of the Eastern Med, an economic powerhouse and 10 times bigger in terms of square kilometers.
We would have rivaled Singapore's 7th highest GDP per capita in the world and the fact that they have the world's highest percentage of millionaires.
We're talking offshore, foreign exchange, low tax rates exclusive foreign investment etc.... plus the gas and oil reserves.

It's no wonder the GrecoTurkish banana brothers will never let that happen.

Cap wrote:I swear before the throne almighty a United Cyprus would have been the Singapore of the Eastern Med, an economic powerhouse and 10 times bigger in terms of square kilometers.
We would have rivaled Singapore's 7th highest GDP per capita in the world and the fact that they have the world's highest percentage of millionaires.
We're talking offshore, foreign exchange, low tax rates exclusive foreign investment etc.... plus the gas and oil reserves.

The EU (aka Germany) wouldn’t have allowed you to be.

Londonrake wrote:

Cap wrote:I swear before the throne almighty a United Cyprus would have been the Singapore of the Eastern Med, an economic powerhouse and 10 times bigger in terms of square kilometers.
We would have rivaled Singapore's 7th highest GDP per capita in the world and the fact that they have the world's highest percentage of millionaires.
We're talking offshore, foreign exchange, low tax rates exclusive foreign investment etc.... plus the gas and oil reserves.

The EU (aka Germany) wouldn’t have allowed you to be.

As it so happens, the UK, America, Turkey, some would say Greece, because of enosis and the TC's didnt allow it to be.

Cyprus would have been much wealthier and freer than she is now,

An average GDP per capita of around $50,000 or 40,000 euro.