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Postby Oracle » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:30 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
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supporttheunderdog wrote:
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Oracle wrote:Did he mention the one he got deleted?

:? No, what was that called?


Erm ... :? Something about not taking Pot Shots at the RoC and it involved scrutinising "STUD" about his accusation that the RoC "courts were not fit for purpose" ... I found some data which contradicted him and then it all went poof!


I never saw my reply hit the screen, it seemed to go poof as soon as if not before I hit the submit button, so I don't know what it was that I said, and never saw any data that contradicted what I said, not that I recall seeing much data from you anyway, that could have lead to that post's deletion.

So you initiated an anti-Cypriot thread with no evidence again eh?

Maybe it’s time you returned to C44 where you fit in… :wink:


No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.


My thread was not anti-Cypriot, of course, but your claims, which the thread put under the microscope for discussion, certainly were!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:33 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.

Liar!

My eye caught your little "judiciary system" bollocks thread but I was too busy at the time and working till 9pm to respond.

You're lucky it’s not there anymore because my response to that would’ve surely put an end to your disgraceful CF adventure, just like I did to you in the CyProb section!

Remember when you thought you were clever enough to participate there? :lol:

Honestly! :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:40 am

Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.

Liar!

My eye caught your little "judiciary system" bollocks thread but I was too busy at the time and working till 9pm to respond.

You're lucky it’s not there anymore because my response to that would’ve surely put an end to your disgraceful CF adventure, just like I did to you in the CyProb section!

Remember when you thought you were clever enough to participate there? :lol:

Honestly! :roll:


So, the little sneak was hiding behind my deleted thread, when all the while he HAD initiated another anti-Cypriot thread!

Well spotted, GR!

Hence, this "watered-down" version ...
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:42 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.

Liar!

My eye caught your little "judiciary system" bollocks thread but I was too busy at the time and working till 9pm to respond.

You're lucky it’s not there anymore because my response to that would’ve surely put an end to your disgraceful CF adventure, just like I did to you in the CyProb section!

Remember when you thought you were clever enough to participate there? :lol:

Honestly! :roll:


So, the little sneak was hiding behind my deleted thread, when all the while he HAD initiated another anti-Cypriot thread!

Well spotted, GR!

Hence, this "watered-down" version ...

The fishmonger thinks he’s good! :roll:
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Postby beverley10 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:23 pm

Yawn Yawn Yawn.
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:32 am

Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.

Liar!

My eye caught your little "judiciary system" bollocks thread but I was too busy at the time and working till 9pm to respond.

You're lucky it’s not there anymore because my response to that would’ve surely put an end to your disgraceful CF adventure, just like I did to you in the CyProb section!

Remember when you thought you were clever enough to participate there? :lol:

Honestly! :roll:


Sorry for the delays coming back to you on this one, but I have a life outside of CF and have been living it.


Re comments on the Cyprob and YOU putting an end to my little adventure: In your dreams, bonny lad!.

Here is the Data.

I have commented on seven topics in the Cyprob section: in one post I made two remarks and while you commented in that tropic you did not reply to me on either of my posts, so you cannot have run me off there.

in one you have posted in response to me and IMHO there was no particular need for a reply. This concerned a remark about a punchline,

In five, as I write this, I currently hold the last post, though to be fair I only posted the reply to your last on one topic, about libel, a few minutes back.

That therefore leaves four, where I clearly have not had an end put to my littlevadventure, let alone by you.

So, bonny lad, wind your neck in!
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:48 am

Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No I didnt initiate that thread - Orifice did. And it was not anti Cypriot, that is just your interpretation of it.

Liar!

My eye caught your little "judiciary system" bollocks thread but I was too busy at the time and working till 9pm to respond.

You're lucky it’s not there anymore because my response to that would’ve surely put an end to your disgraceful CF adventure, just like I did to you in the CyProb section!

Remember when you thought you were clever enough to participate there? :lol:

Honestly! :roll:


Outdated judicial system blamed for blowout in court cases

DELAYS in the island’s justice system are said to have reached a crisis point, with criminal and civil trials often taking up to five years to reach the courts.

Sotiris Argyrou, a Nicosia based lawyer and former police officer, said the Cyprus justice system had become prone to lengthy delays partly due to an overload of cases reaching the courts.

“This is something that the government must acknowledge. We urgently need more positions for judges to be created in order to cope with the constant flow of cases that are coming in,” said Argyrou.

The lawyer explained that the mounting backlog was also directly related to the type of cases the courts accept and a lack in preparation of legal applications.

“Speaking as a criminal lawyer, I can say that the police do not always take the legal responsibility they should and will often refer cases for prosecution before they are fully ready.”

He added that the delays had several negative consequences that could result in some cases not going to trial or not being sufficiently prepared before they go to court.

“On some occasions witness testimony is not properly evaluated be forehand and often these cases will be thrown out.

“It’s sometimes said that judges are not putting in the required hours to deal with all the court cases, but I don’t believe this is true. Judges will often spend their free time working on cases.”

Delays in the hearing of cases not only create concern within the legal circuit, but are also a headache for many citizens who become involved in the court system.

Another Nicosia based lawyer, who asked to remain anonymous, strongly attacked the island’s legal system for its sluggish dealing of civil cases.

“We have a situation now where the cases that are currently being processed in court date back to 2002 and 2003. This is a chronic problem that will not go away unless significant changes are made.”

According to the law professional, the delays are due to a number of factors including rising crime, a shortage of courtrooms but, most importantly, slack administration in the island’s legal system.

He explained that due to poor management some cases were destined to be unnecessarily lengthy, creating a general blow-out in waiting times.

“There are currently some very complex cases on trial which should not have gone to court in the first place.

“When hundreds of witnesses are called on to give testimony, the court is obliged to hear all of them and in some instances it’s later decided that there wasn’t a case to start with.”

Using the UK as an example, the lawyer noted that delays had been greatly alleviated by giving judges a more active role in deciding which cases go to court. This combined with designated teams that study how cases can be processed more quickly have eased the delays, he said.

“This is something we are desperately lacking in Cyprus especially as new pressures have been created with an increase in crime and the fact that our justice system, which has changed very little since the 1950s, cannot cope with this.”

He added that with the European-wide evolution of the justice system, a number of factors were inherently causing mountains of red tape.

These include defendants being more aware of their rights and their entitlement to state legal representation.

“When appeals are made and then granted they take time to be processed and can clog the court system with paperwork that in some cases is unnecessary,” the lawyer said.

“With the huge backlog of cases currently overburdening the justice system, there is also great pressure on everyone involved to process their work as quickly as possible.

Hasty work, however, can lead to mistakes and when dealing with criminal cases in particular these errors can have serious consequences,” the lawyer warned.

“Excessive delays in the administration of justice are a significant danger for the rule of law”

Disy deputy and Chairman of the Council of Europe (COE) Human Rights Committee Christos Pourgourides agreed that the island’s civil procedure legislation was unsuitable for today’s needs.

“There are many factors that lead to undue delays in the justice system but largely our outdated justice system is to blame. The courts, for example, grant postponements far too easily and this understandably causes great delays.”

According to Pourgourides, bailiffs in Cyprus must still hand- deliver court summons to citizens when in most other European countries summons are simply mailed to their home addresses.

“Issues such as these accumulate causing red tape and endless delays, but also our judicial system is largely failed by lack of proper training, management and insight.

“In Britain there are a small number of lawyers in proportion to the population so out of necessity they gain great experience through handling a high turnout of cases.”

In Cyprus, however, we have the reverse situation, a very small population and a vast number of lawyers.

“Often, a lawyer with seven years work experience in Cyprus may not have handled any cases in court which is where the real experience lies.”

Despite wide recognition that court cases must be concluded within reasonable time limits, the island’s justice system is struggling to cope as is evident by the vast number of complaints that are brought before the European Court of Human Rights.

As European convention states, all citizens have the right to be brought promptly before a judicial authority and are entitled to a trial within a reasonable time.

justice delayed is justice denied

Pourgourides referred to the well known legal cliché ‘justice delayed is justice denied’

“This is exactly why we have all these cases being scrutinised by the ECHR,” said Pourgourides. “Excessive delays in the administration of justice are a significant danger for the rule of law.”

The human rights watchdog said that a reform of the judicial system was the only sure way to alleviate the delays.

“We have so many petty cases which end up going to court when they should not.

The obvious solution is to evaluate the cost of these cases and prioritise them accordingly by allocating time for more deserving cases.

Delays will inevitably be caused when cases are not dealt with quickly and efficiently and when this happens we risk losing public confidence in our justice system.”

However, because of demographic factors, updating Cyprus’ justice system is arguably easier than changing systems in other larger countries, Pourgourides said.

“Because of our small population and general high level of public education, with the correct reform across the court systems we can easily fix or at least shorten the huge delays we face.”

May I observe that this is Cypriots criticising the juadicial system: that the system is failing is further shown by the fact that many are now seeking to resort to wjhat is know Alternative Dispute Reslotion - including if the comments of Cypiot politicians are to be believed, threats of violence to collect debts.
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:50 am

and there is more:

RESTRICTED resources, antiquated infrastructure and failure to undertake responsibility are the ready-to-explode ‘ingredients’ in the Cypriot courts. The number of pending cases exceeds 80,000, while the charges against the Republic to the European Court of Human Rights have piled. Despite the huge problems in the sector, the executive and judicial powers blame one another.
A fair state?

The condition in the Cyprus’ courts is more or less known to everybody. It is discussed by the Parliament every year and is often included in the reports of the foreign credit rating firms with the worst possible rate. Thousands of citizens wait almost three years to have their cases heard.

Those delays have referred the Republic of Cyprus to the ECHR six times. In her statements to StockWatch, Attorney Maro Tsiappa said that 9 more charges have been filed in the past year but they were subject to a compromise. Moreover, 26 cases have been heard since 2006 and the fines have been paid. “We expect that certain measures will be taken to avert future breaches in relation to the time that the cases are heard“, she said.

“This entails two things; First, the adoption of measures by the Supreme Court so as to deal with the problem of time and second, the adoption of effective treatments in Cyprus. This means that in case of a delay in the hearing of a case, Cypriots will have the opportunity to appeal to the Cypriot courts“, she said.

Ms. Tsiappa explained that the Legal Service has prepared a plan, which has been referred to the Ministry of Justice, which is competent to promote it to the Council of Ministers and the House of Representatives for approval.
Lack of staff

The Supreme Court recognizes the problem and stressed that any efforts that have been made so far had no result due to a lack of resources and the antiquated infrastructure.

“Nothing has been achieved so far“, Chairman of the Supreme Court, Petros Artemis, said and blamed the executive power that controls the budget of the Judicial Service.

“It has been three years now that the Supreme Court’s request for the opening of three new posts of district judges is pending. One in the Nicosia District Court due to the large number of penal cases, one in Paphos due to the increased cases for accidents and one in Paralimni. We are still waiting for an answer“, he said.

The budget of the Judicial Service stands at €28 million and includes the judges’ salaries and the operating and development expenditure. It is almost one fourth of the CTO budget.

As for the human resources, the problems become more and more. The courts run the risk of running out of stenographers. “Unfortunately, they found better offers and working conditions in other public sectors and they decided to leave the Courts“, Mr. Artemis said.
Antiquated infrastructure…

The problems, however, do not focus on the human resources only. There problems in the infrastructure are even bigger.

For example, things are quite complicated in the introduction of the stenotypes. Although the Supreme Court decided to introduce a mixed system, there was a problem with the supplier and so as not to have further delays it was decided that the issue is handled by the IT Service Department.

More than that, the building that hosts the courts dates back to 1950.

“The problem that emerged from the transfer of the United Nations is handled by the government. We hope that it will be solved soon“, Mr. Artemis said.
Obstacles

According to Mr. Artemis, the legal service which has undertaken the preparation of the new institutions for the simplification of the procedures works too slowly.

Obstacle or independence?

The executive power, on the other hand, blames the Supreme Court judges. Justice Minister, Loucas Louca said that the improvement of the service lies entirely to the Supreme Court because according to the constitution, it is an independent service and has its own budget.

According to Mr. Louca, the government promotes the electronic administration of the courts.

“The Council of Ministers approved a sum of €5.5 million and will proceed with tenders for the 27 new posts. It might take up to 3 years for the procedures to be finalized“, he added.
“It’s Hadjipetris’ fault…”

Chairman of the House Legal Committee, Ionas Nicolaou said that they are probably not aware of how serious case the case is.

“The government is responsible for the stenotype system and the creation of new job posts“, he said.

“The courts do not operate properly and they need up to 3 years. This is unacceptable for a country such as Cyprus“, he said.

“The Legal Committee is in regular contact with the Supreme Court in order to improve the conditions. The efforts hit to the executive power“, he concluded.
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Postby SSBubbles » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:32 am

beverley10 wrote:Yawn Yawn Yawn.


~~Ditto~~
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Postby Milo » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:21 am

The British High Commission in Nicosia are asking for info on excessive postponements on court cases that british expats are bringing against for example Developers.

These continuous postponements brought by a developer are designed to discourage a continuing case against them.

This is one area that the BHC can get involved in and is collating the information at this time. I believe they also are seeking to collate infomation on complaints to the Cyprus Bar Association and their action since, or the lack of.

A bit more screw tightening, we can only hope.
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