Erdogan Urges France To Drop Armenian Genocide Recognition
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| Well we all know one did happen but the armenian one i am just not sure, i read extracts from both sides and both seem plausable but not 100%, so thats why i back the idea that a thorough investigation should be done by independant E.U historians to find the true facts and then both goverments make amends as need be. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:59 pm |
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brother,
i can also find you many documents that claim the holocaust never happened. just because jewish people have a grater influence in the world than armenians that doesnt make them the only ones who are right. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:14 pm |
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| All i am saying is that i am not sure on the facts. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:45 am |
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| brother wrote: |
| Well we all know one did happen but the armenian one i am just not sure, i read extracts from both sides and both seem plausable but not 100%, so thats why i back the idea that a thorough investigation should be done by independant E.U historians to find the true facts and then both goverments make amends as need be. |
Hi guys, I pretty much signed up to answer some of your posts regarding the genocide. I know many Turks are denying it (most of 'em never even heard about it, since it was completely erased from their history), but never though Greeks could feel the same.
Anyway, my great grandmother was a genocide survivor, she lost her entire family in the genocide. 3 brothers and both parents. Turks beheaded her father, uncle, and oldest brother in front of her eyes, she was 5 at the time. So for me, the genocide isn't just something I read about, I heard it from my own great grandmother... horrible details, which I will not mention. Anyway, just a small personal thing I wanted to share with you first.
Anyway, about the genocide and people who doubt it... There are thousands of documents in both US and British archives on the genocide, hundreds of eye witness accounts from not only Armenians, but Turkish soldiers and also foreigners employed in Ottoman Empire at the time, the U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire under Woodrow Wilson from 1913 to 1916 saw everything happening with his own eyes and wrote a book about it, both New York Times and London Times made numerous reports on the genocide back then, not to mention all the survivor testimonies out there.
The fear of compensation is the reason behind Turkey’s denial. 1.5 million people were forced out of their ancestral homeland into the desert, where they were left with no food or water and eventually died. They once owned those lands, they paid for those lands, and they were forced to leave. If Turkey recognizes the genocide it has to pay their descendants huge amounts of money for their ancestral homes. It also has to pay for their blood, just like Germany up to this day is paying Holocaust survivors reparation payments. But guess what? Turkey doesn’t want to do that. So in case any of you were wondering about the motives behind Turkey’s denial, there you have it. Turkey has also closed it's border on Armenia, and will not open it until Armenia drops the genocide recognition from it's agenda, in other words, until Armenians promise to forget about those 1.5 million people massacred.
Any further questions, I would love to answer. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:51 am |
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Hi guys, I pretty much signed up to answer some of your posts regarding the genocide. I know many Turks are denying it (most of 'em never even heard about it, since it was completely erased from their history), but never though Greeks could feel the same.
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Hey dawn, you must either be an eye witness of the alleged genocide or you made a deep research about it. Don't you know how easy it is to create billion of false propaganda reports to delude the world. Obviously you are one of the deluded one. Have a look at www.mari.org to read about how Maronites persecuted by GC Orthodox church under the Ottoman rule. Then go www.cyprus-gov.cy and read how GC ruling elite distort the history of Maronites.
What about the events of 1963-74? Whole world knows that your leadership skipped all the facts regarding 1963-74 period. Until the opening of the gates overwhelming majority of GCs even have no idea about the massacres of Aloa, Sandalaris, Tohni, Agia Vasilios nad Maratha. I urge you first make a deep research about the facts of your own history then come here and tell us your fairy tales about the so-called Armenian Genocide.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:14 am |
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| Hey dawn, you must either be an eye witness of the alleged genocide or you made a deep research about it. Don't you know how easy it is to create billion of false propaganda reports to delude the world |
hahahaha...coming from Insan....HAHAHAHAHA!
How many times have we heard from TC that there parents told them this or there uncle told them that, to which Insan likes to base his fabrications on. Now the role is reversred and he tries to make a mockery of it. lol..Insan, you truly are a c**t aren't you.[/quote] |
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Don't worry Dawn. The Turks instead of admitting their crimes and change to something better, they prefer to deny them and to continue in the same way. Just like they call their invasion in Cyprus a peace operation (a "peace operation" with 6000, dead 200.000 refugees and the ethnic cleansing of 1/3rd of Cyprus!!), just like the insist that "TRNC" is legal and RoC is not, in the same way they choose to deny the Armenian genocide.
But as I said don't worry. Apart from the Turks themselves and their close allies, nobody else take their attempts to hide the truth seriously. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:18 am |
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| insan wrote: |
I urge you first make a deep research about the facts of your own history then come here and tell us your fairy tales about the so-called Armenian Genocide.
Ps: welcome to the forum, btw. |
I've done my research, but have you done yours? That's if you're even interested in knowing the truth.
Thank you. |
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IN THE 19th CENTURY IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE:
29 Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of pasha,
22 Armenians became ministers, including Ministers of Foreign Affairs,
33 Armenians were elected to the Parliament,
7 Armenians were appointed as Ambassadors, 11 as Consul Generals,
11 Armenians served in universities as professors.
There were 803 Armenian schools employing 2088 teachers with over 80,000 pupils within the Ottoman Empire in 1901-2.
BRITISH CONSUL IN ERZURUM, GRAVES replied to the question of New York Herald Reporter Sydney Whitman "If no Armenian revolutionary had come to this country, if they had not stirred Armenian revolution, would these clashes have occurred?" as follows;
"Of course not. I doubt if a single Armenian would have been killed."
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Haven't we made a genocide to Armenians?
Yes, If you want to make a genocide, if you want to destroy a race.. You should give that race and its people status in your own parliament. You would be succesful, if you give them ministries.
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Think about it, Germans had given to Jews high status in their parliment...?! |
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Hi guys, I pretty much signed up to answer some of your posts regarding the genocide. I know many Turks are denying it (most of 'em never even heard about it, since it was completely erased from their history), but never though Greeks could feel the same.
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Hey dawn, you must either be an eye witness of the alleged genocide or you made a deep research about it. Don't you know how easy it is to create billion of false propaganda reports to delude the world. Obviously you are one of the deluded one. Have a look at www.mari.org to read about how Maronites persecuted by GC Orthodox church under the Ottoman rule. Then go www.cyprus-gov.cy and read how GC ruling elite distort the history of Maronites.
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insan,
are articles posted by the New York Times, not sufficient "research"? or are Turkish textbooks more credible sources? |
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