Is the USA transfering its support away from Turkey to Iraq?
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| pantheman |
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There is a problem being that the West is perceiving the Turkish government unpredictable and difficult to reason with and that currently the West is overreliant on this one country. Until now, the new Iraq government has shown itself to be much more pliable.
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| There is no such thing as an Iraqi government. There is an American puppet government which depends for its existence solely on the American military presence in Iraq. In case of an American withdrawal, I have no doubt in my mind that it will be replaced by some Iran style theocracy. |
Bg_Turk,
do you mean something like the TRNC puppet government where Turkey is place instead of america ?
Seems you finally accepted that puppet governments do exist and thats in the TRNC. Wow thats a first for the TCs, thats a quantum leap i'd say. Now i have heard it from the horses (or should I say donkeys) mouth  |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:36 pm |
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| Eric dayi |
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So you GCs think that America is going to leave a country they have been in for such a long time and put up camp in an unfriendly and uncertain country like Iraq or Afghanistan do you? 
Ok, answer these questions?
How long has the USA been in Iraq and Afghanistan?
How close are they to winning the war in either county?
Will they be able to afford the costs of war in both countries and attack Iran as well and for how long can they keep it up?
How long before the Kurds have had enough of the USA dictating to them what, where, when and for how much to sell their oil before they turn the guns supplied by the USA on the USA itself?
Will the next USA President be a warmonger like GW Bush?
We all know what happened to the USA in Vietnam, so what's the chances that the same will happen in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran?
Let's not forget that Iraq was an easy target because the Iraqi people were divided but the Iranians aren't.
Do you think that Russia will just stand by and watch the USA get nearer and nearer to it's (Russias) borders?
How does that saying go that marks the end of a wet dream, "Wakey, wakey, hand off c*cks, put on socks"?  |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:25 am |
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| Oneness |
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| Eric dayi wrote: |
So you GCs think that America is going to leave a country they have been in for such a long time and put up camp in an unfriendly and uncertain country like Iraq or Afghanistan do you?
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They are already there.
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Ok, answer these questions?
How long has the USA been in Iraq and Afghanistan?
How close are they to winning the war in either county? |
For years and the general consensus is that to withdraw before the job is done will be a failure, destabilising the countries and presenting enormous risks to the USA. It will be a long haul and even if the US makes troop withdrawals, it will not do so without ensuring Iraq's own troops can fill the void. The US will almost certainly not make a complete withdrawal - they will keep their bases there.
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| Will they be able to afford the costs of war in both countries and attack Iran as well and for how long can they keep it up? |
That depends on the extent of the threat theat Iran presents the USA. There is no greater threat to the USA than Iran's ability to launch nuclear missiles or to sell nuclear supplies to anti-American groups such as terrorist organisations.
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| How long before the Kurds have had enough of the USA dictating to them what, where, when and for how much to sell their oil before they turn the guns supplied by the USA on the USA itself? |
Well, Kurds have been campaigning for recognition of their ethnic identity, their human rights and a territory under their own jurisdiction. If they get this, then they'll be happy. After 500 years of usurping these rights from the Kurds, Turkey has failed to return them.
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| Will the next USA President be a warmonger like GW Bush? |
If he is a Democrat then he is likely to be more sympathetic towards abused minorities like the Kurdish civilians and Greek Cypriots.
If he is a Republican, he is more likely to step up the military offensive in the Middle East.
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| We all know what happened to the USA in Vietnam, so what's the chances that the same will happen in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran? |
There's no comparison. That's why it didnt happen until now. The USA succeeded in the initial military operation which was to dismantle the Iraqi government and military and replace it. Vietnam was all about jungle warfare, today its all about technology.
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| Let's not forget that Iraq was an easy target because the Iraqi people were divided but the Iranians aren't. |
The German's werent a divided nation in 1944/45 but the USA got involved because of the extent of the threat.
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| Do you think that Russia will just stand by and watch the USA get nearer and nearer to it's (Russias) borders? |
Maybe not but that doesnt mean the USA will not take action of some kind. Anyway, like I said before, its not only Iran which can open up access to Iraq, there is already Kuwait and there can be also Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia (not now but maybe in the future)....
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| How does that saying go that marks the end of a wet dream, "Wakey, wakey, hand off c*cks, put on socks"? |
Welcome to the beginning of a nightmare...... |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:19 am |
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| Let me just add that, Turkey is the country who has been in charge of running the coalition forces in Afghanistan for 2 consecutive terms and they can just as easily remove their forces from there and leave the US and everyone else to their own fate with the Taliban, who Turkey has better relations with (hence why they were put in charge in the first place) and yet again Turkeys borders are where most of the supplies come to Iraq from, not just the US supplies but also for the entire country including all the new American investments within Iraq, and unfortunately for them we supply their water too, look up for GAP Project, sadly for you that you will find us being not as easily replaceable within the area and soon or later someone is going to have to negotiate with us on the matter, what a shame that the GC's nor the Kurds actually have such cards at their disposal |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:35 am |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
| Let me just add that, Turkey is the country who has been in charge of running the coalition forces in Afghanistan for 2 consecutive terms and they can just as easily remove their forces from there and leave the US and everyone else to their own fate with the Taliban, who Turkey has better relations with (hence why they were put in charge in the first place) and yet again Turkeys borders are where most of the supplies come to Iraq from, not just the US supplies but also for the entire country including all the new American investments within Iraq, and unfortunately for them we supply their water too, look up for GAP Project, sadly for you that you will find us being not as easily replaceable within the area and soon or later someone is going to have to negotiate with us on the matter, what a shame that the GC's nor the Kurds actually have such cards at their disposal |
Is this the "nightmare" Oneness "welcomed" me to? Or did he mean his own nightmare? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:45 am |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
| Let me just add that, Turkey is the country who has been in charge of running the coalition forces in Afghanistan for 2 consecutive terms and they can just as easily remove their forces from there and leave the US and everyone else to their own fate with the Taliban, who Turkey has better relations with (hence why they were put in charge in the first place) and yet again Turkeys borders are where most of the supplies come to Iraq from, not just the US supplies but also for the entire country including all the new American investments within Iraq, and unfortunately for them we supply their water too, look up for GAP Project, sadly for you that you will find us being not as easily replaceable within the area and soon or later someone is going to have to negotiate with us on the matter, what a shame that the GC's nor the Kurds actually have such cards at their disposal |
When the time is right ...AMERICA WILL DROP YOU AND WASTE YOU ....DONT YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE ...THE MID WEST DISLIKE ISLAMIC ALLIES ...YOU BEING SECULAR MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
IN TIME THE GUNS WILL TURN ON YOU TOO ...TIME SON TIME |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:54 am |
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| oranos64 wrote: |
| shahmaran wrote: |
| Let me just add that, Turkey is the country who has been in charge of running the coalition forces in Afghanistan for 2 consecutive terms and they can just as easily remove their forces from there and leave the US and everyone else to their own fate with the Taliban, who Turkey has better relations with (hence why they were put in charge in the first place) and yet again Turkeys borders are where most of the supplies come to Iraq from, not just the US supplies but also for the entire country including all the new American investments within Iraq, and unfortunately for them we supply their water too, look up for GAP Project, sadly for you that you will find us being not as easily replaceable within the area and soon or later someone is going to have to negotiate with us on the matter, what a shame that the GC's nor the Kurds actually have such cards at their disposal |
When the time is right ...AMERICA WILL DROP YOU AND WASTE YOU ....DONT YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE ...THE MID WEST DISLIKE ISLAMIC ALLIES ...YOU BEING SECULAR MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
IN TIME THE GUNS WILL TURN ON YOU TOO ...TIME SON TIME |
Having wet dreams again Oranos? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:28 am |
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Oranos we never needed anyones help in order to conquer Greece back in the day just like we didn't while conquering Cyprus in 74 and while kicking you out of Izmir, what makes you think we need America now, if anything, they should look out for you lot just in case our patience runs out some day!
Considering the global conflicts between the Muslim and the Christian worlds, us being secular makes ALL the difference since we are the only real living proof that Islam can actually work with Democracy in a moderate fashion, something no country had to carry on their shoulders before, i think given the circumstances Turkey is doing pretty good for her self.
Therefore I have an extra sense of pride, because i am Cypriot AND Turkish at the same time! |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:37 am |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
Oranos we never needed anyones help in order to conquer Greece back in the day just like we didn't while conquering Cyprus in 74 and while kicking you out of Izmir, what makes you think we need America now, if anything, they should look out for you lot just in case our patience runs out some day!
Considering the global conflicts between the Muslim and the Christian worlds, us being secular makes ALL the difference since we are the only real living proof that Islam can actually work with Democracy in a moderate fashion, something no country had to carry on their shoulders before, i think given the circumstances Turkey is doing pretty good for her self.
Therefore I have an extra sense of pride, because i am Cypriot AND Turkish at the same time! |
YOU HAVE A DEMOCRACY ....only if it appeases your generals ...feel free to believe that your military numbers will save you ...but now as i do ...that the US is worried for you guys ...you guys have too many enemies ....
anyway who understands military logistics will disagree ... how do you mobilise 1million men...
dream on that you can take us .....but add in to your dreams the reality that you are pretty much surrounded by enemies and you dont move a man without U.S say so ....or else if you had the balls ..you would have gone in to IRAQ already
keep dreaming puppets |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:41 am |
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| Eric dayi wrote: |
| oranos64 wrote: |
| shahmaran wrote: |
| Let me just add that, Turkey is the country who has been in charge of running the coalition forces in Afghanistan for 2 consecutive terms and they can just as easily remove their forces from there and leave the US and everyone else to their own fate with the Taliban, who Turkey has better relations with (hence why they were put in charge in the first place) and yet again Turkeys borders are where most of the supplies come to Iraq from, not just the US supplies but also for the entire country including all the new American investments within Iraq, and unfortunately for them we supply their water too, look up for GAP Project, sadly for you that you will find us being not as easily replaceable within the area and soon or later someone is going to have to negotiate with us on the matter, what a shame that the GC's nor the Kurds actually have such cards at their disposal |
When the time is right ...AMERICA WILL DROP YOU AND WASTE YOU ....DONT YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE ...THE MID WEST DISLIKE ISLAMIC ALLIES ...YOU BEING SECULAR MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
IN TIME THE GUNS WILL TURN ON YOU TOO ...TIME SON TIME |
Having wet dreams again Oranos? |
In the 70s and 80s it was IRAQ ....now you lot are Americas bitches ....in time you will be brought down to earth .....no matter what you say ...no nation on earth who are non christian will be allowed to show strength in the coming years ...
they must convert .... that is the call of the mid west of america ...do some research 40million in funds to christian workshops in Turkey ...where did the money come from and for what reasons ????????? |
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