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Settlers - How can it be solved?

Postby insan » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:09 pm

There are so many rumours about the number of settlers. Let's assume their number is 80.000 together with their spouses and descendants. Can we assume them as 15.000 families with 3.5 children each? Ok.

According to my estimation, 13.000-14.000 settler families have been occupaying houses belong to GCs. Most probably, the agricaltural land they were given in North should be proportionate to their population, particularly in Karpasia district that there are several pure settler villages.


What about their first generation descendants who came to Cyprus when they were child or teenagers?

My estimation of their numbers is that they constitute 1000-2000 families.
It is highly probable that most of them built their own houses on GC land.

First of all, these settlers have nothing equivelant in South to exchange.

What kind of future is waiting these settlers?

What percentage of these settlers considerably invested the houses and lands they occupy?

I think those who considerably invested the GC properties wouldn't want to return them unless they are paid the compensation of what they invested. So what can they do? Most of them wouldn't be able to buy those properties. Perhaps most of them could afford to rent or lease the properties they considerably invested. Let's say 1000-2000 families who considerably invested the GC properties in last 20-30 years decided to restitute the properties to the original owners. Who will pay their compensation of the investment they have made? Original owners of the properties or Turkey?


What is your opinions about the settlers issue? How can it be solved humanely and without creating tensions?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:21 pm

Do we know how many Pontiac Greeks Settled in Southern Cyprus around 1994/5, will these people have to go home as well???
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:23 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Do we know how many Pontiac Greeks Settled in Southern Cyprus around 1994/5, will these people have to go home as well???



But there's a difference between Turkish settlers and Pontian Greeks, viewpoint. None of the Pontians was given TC properties in South.


Ps: Does GC administration give Pontians any public assistance?
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Postby magikthrill » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:26 pm

I think the question is do these Pontian Greeks have the same rights that the Turkish settlers have in the north (eg were they allowed to vote in last years referendum). If they do then yes I think they should be removed.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:32 pm

magikthrill wrote:I think the question is do these Pontian Greeks have the same rights that the Turkish settlers have in the north (eg were they allowed to vote in last years referendum). If they do then yes I think they should be removed.



I don't think granting them political rights would constitute any problems. Sooner or later those Pontians who reside in south may apply for naturalization and get full political rights.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:48 pm

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But there's a difference between Turkish settlers and Pontian Greeks, viewpoint. None of the Pontians was given TC properties in South.


OK Insan if we solved that point and throw them out of their current homes would they be the same as Pontians then??? Could they have the same rigths as them???What does everyone think???

Does anyone know their numbers I hear it was around 40.000, is that right?????
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:insan
But there's a difference between Turkish settlers and Pontian Greeks, viewpoint. None of the Pontians was given TC properties in South.


OK Insan if we solved that point and throw them out of their current homes would they be the same as Pontians then??? Could they have the same rigths as them???What does everyone think???

Does anyone know their numbers I hear it was around 40.000, is that right?????



Viewpoint noone here is talking about throwing them out. Look at the topic please and calm down. You can't go anywhere by exaggerating the issues.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:55 pm

Im only asking how many there are, why the big deal and I am clam dont you worry about me :wink:
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Postby insan » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:31 am

I think most of the members of the forum seems have no interest to discuss this issue but may I at least have your opinions about the following question, please?


- Let's say 1000-2000 settler families who considerably invested the GC properties in last 20-30 years decided to restitute the properties to the original owners. Who will pay their compensation of the investment they have made? Original owners of the properties or Turkey?
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:46 am

insan wrote:I think most of the members of the forum seems have no interest to discuss this issue but may I at least have your opinions about the following question, please?


- Let's say 1000-2000 settler families who considerably invested the GC properties in last 20-30 years decided to restitute the properties to the original owners. Who will pay their compensation of the investment they have made? Original owners of the properties or Turkey?


Just as a snap opinion (not really having thought long about this issue), my first impulse is that the 'settlers' should receive compensation from the authority that encouraged them to move their lives and families to Cyprus. From my limited knowledge on the subject, I understand that many of the settlers were promised houses, land and jobs... as if Cyprus was a land of milk and honey.

Therefore, if these people have taken the big step to move to the island and build new lives there by developing the properties they were given, it should be the Turkish government that compensates them, either monetarily or through the building of a new property for them. If the new property is of a lesser value, the person should receive the balance of the difference between the two.

I think the issue is a slight misnomer anyway. As Alexandros L said in another thread, I'd be surprised if there were a significant number of 'invested properties'. On my all too brief sojourns in the north I haven't seen a great deal of investment in the villages particularly. The only real investment you see is in new housing aimed largely at foreigners.

That's just a quick 5-second thought opinion, hope it's useful.
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