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[garbitsch]

Yeah, we usually kill people. This time we will show mercy! This is not an intellectual discussion...
What I meant, whole Armenian history and solidarity is based on that fake genocide, and once it is proven that it didn't happen, the Armenian society might collapse.

[magikthrill]

You like to hit turkeys past, so lets hit greeces past, should we start with the mass genocide in troy or shall we talk about the true creator of barbarism your Alexander the great, who went around the globe killing everything in his path, the point is you are no better than the turks.

I'm sorry I learned in univeristy that Alexander never enforeced his religions or beliefs on other countries and was only involved in warfare with other states' militaries not civilians.

Like you wanted to get rid of TC from cyprus AND YOU CANNOT DENY THIS.

Absolutely not. So should the Armenians be allowed to come back to Turkey and request political status?

[garbitsch]

Alexander the Great had created a culture called "Helenism". That's why during this period of time, it is called the Hellenistic age. They vandalized many places especially in Persia and Egypt. They created cities i.e. Alexandria and Greek became the lingua franca of the age. Claiming that Alexander did not kill civilians, is not a fact. Additionally, the Turks did not assimilate the people's they conquered (I mean they did some, but it wasn't the whole idea). However, this assimilations of the peoples were done by the European Powers. We all know that.
Secondly, the Turkish Cypriots have always had their own administrations. This was the case during the British rule and even in the Republic of Cyprus. This wasn't the case for Armenians.

[brother]

So magik you was there by alexander the greats side to see if he killed no civillians huh...

History is usually written by the victor and is written to praise themselves.

If they are going to come and live in peace and not try and kill the turks and kurds again with the help of russia and the worlds biggest nemesis the british then why not.

[magikthrill]

Brother i wasnt there. that was the point i am trying to make.

if you claim the armenian genocide didnt happen because you werent there to see it then you cant claim that alexander the great killed civilians because you werent there for that either

[Piratis]

garbitsch, let me get this straight: Are you comparing ancient Greeks with the actions of Turks in the past? Do you want me to make a comparison too? I made it in the past before you became a member and some people got pissed off. So lets just stick to the topic which is the Armenian genocite and not Alexander the great.

Anybody here defended the European colonialists? Maybe I have to remind you that we fought against them?

[garbitsch]

Piratis, I didn't change the subject to discuss the ancient Greeks. Some other people mentioned it and mine was a reply. I am fine with the topic though...
I mentioned the European colonialists just because you and other people draw an image of Turk that they only kill people, colonise other people's lands etc. What I am saying, not each nation's past is clear. We did horrible things, they did too. But you and other European nations are keen at blaming Turks with barbarism, but when it comes to your and their history, you all become amnesia. Besides, you are free to discuss every topic here I reckon. There is no point of "threatening".

[magikthrill]

I think this image of Turkey as a barbarian is not only from a historic point of view. Yes I believe that the US and the UK are the biggest barbarians of all time no doubt but all eyes are on Turkey because they abuse their own citizens more than those of other countries.

[Piratis]

I mentioned the European colonialists just because you and other people draw an image of Turk that they only kill people, colonise other people's lands etc. What I am saying, not each nation's past is clear. We did horrible things, they did too. But you and other European nations are keen at blaming Turks with barbarism, but when it comes to your and their history, you all become amnesia.

The problem with Turkey (and some others) is that they continue the massive violations of human rights and act in an agressive way today. Turkey now occupies Cyprus, violates the Greek and Cyprus airspace almost every day, and they have claims over the Agean.
Greece was occupied by the Germans, was invaded by Italians etc. But today those nations respect Greece, and Greece respects them. This is not the case with Turkey.

Also, when you compare civilizations, you don't only compare criminal actions. You also compare achievements and the culture, science etc they produced.

[garbitsch]

The problem with Turkey (and some others) is that they continue the massive violations of human rights and act in an agressive way today. Turkey now occupies Cyprus, violates the Greek and Cyprus airspace almost every day, and they have claims over the Agean.

1- The Turkish "occupation" of Cyprus has been continuing due to the Greek no vote to the Annan plan, which was appreciated by the UN and the EU.
2- Turkey claims that the borders of the airspace and others are not clarified through the agreements. I currently have no enough information, but I am sure this could be solved in the future. I came across to this statement at this website: http://www.faoa.org/journal/gr-tu300.html

"Airspace. On the basis of a 1931 executive proclamation, Greece claims control of air space for 10 miles around its territory, to include its islands. In 1960, Greece agreed to a 6-mile airspace for NATO purposes, but since the 1974 Turkish intervention on Cyprus, Greece has protested whenever Turkey flies within 10 miles. These overflights often result in Greece scrambling interceptors and pilots engaging in mock dogfights."

There is a unilateral change of the policy by Greece over the extension of the airspace. Turkey sees this as a threat to its security. This issue should be discussed through bilateral agreements. However, the attempts by the Turkish government were rejected by the Greeks. If the Greek side was right 100% then the EU would warn Turkey and force Turkey to accept the Greek claims. But the EU saw this a problem between two sides and urged them to solve it by themselves.