"Die Kurden" by Ferdinand Hennerbichler
 | "Die Kurden" by Ferdinand Hennerbichler |  |
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As the Kurd conflict has currently reached a new high point in world politics, wieninternational is presenting the book “Die Kurden” written by Ferdinand Hennerbichler, a member of its staff.
Kurds were not originally Iranians, even if they speak an Iranian language today, but an ethnic group in their own right descended from original inhabitants of the Middle East. Genetically they are most closely related to Jews. |
The rest of the book review can be read here:
http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2...ntstate1778.htm
I found these parts to be especially interesting:
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| Kurds originally spoke their own pre-Indo-European language and they did not adopt Iranian until the middle of the first millennium before the Christian era. Even the Iranian they speak today has very old roots (such as full ergativity) and is unique in having links with Basque. Basque is a living pre-Indo-European language, and the oldest Kurdish could therefore be as old as Basque, dating back to 2,500 years before the Christian era. Population geneticists have also discovered that Kurds are the descendants of the oldest Stone Age farmers in Kurdistan. |
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| Their ancestors thus co-invented modern agriculture around 10,000 years before the Christian era and helped to develop and disseminate Indo-European languages. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:35 am |
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| 74LB |
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| You must have taken a wrong turn - this forum is about Cyprus.........the url is a clue. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:08 am |
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| '74LondonBoy wrote: |
| You must have taken a wrong turn - this forum is about Cyprus.........the url is a clue. |
Maybe you forgot to take a turn... Read the description of this sub-forum:
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| Everything related to politics in Cyprus and the rest of the world. |
And you must, of course, be a Turk... |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:20 am |
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excellent pic Diri...love the costumes...
welcome and feel free to post anything/anytime you want... |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:04 am |
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Diri it's really interesting to hear about the Kurds relatedness to Jews and Basques.
If the Kurds are linked to the oldest stone age farmers in that region, that would suggest that the Kurds radiated out towards what is now Israel presumably, and gave rise to the Jewish nation, perhaps.
Of course there was that cataclysmic flood in these areas about 8000 years ago, so people may have dispersed after that to inhabit newly available regions.
Lots of food for thought Diri . . . I'll muse on this. 
. . . Oh, and the picture is fabulous! |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:31 pm |
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| boomerang wrote: |
excellent pic Diri...love the costumes...
welcome and feel free to post anything/anytime you want... |
Thank you very much, Boomerang, for the hospitality...
Yeah - those are Southern Kurdish clothes... I put it in my signature...  |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:48 pm |
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| phoenix wrote: |
Diri it's really interesting to hear about the Kurds relatedness to Jews and Basques.
If the Kurds are linked to the oldest stone age farmers in that region, that would suggest that the Kurds radiated out towards what is now Israel presumably, and gave rise to the Jewish nation, perhaps.
Of course there was that cataclysmic flood in these areas about 8000 years ago, so people may have dispersed after that to inhabit newly available regions.
Lots of food for thought Diri . . . I'll muse on this.
. . . Oh, and the picture is fabulous! |
Most scholars agree that Abraham was from Ur (southern Mesopotamia) - and you've probably seen maps of the route he took when he travelled to "the promised land". It goes right through southern and south-western Kurdistan - one place being Riha (modern Urfa) where he was catapulted by locals (literally) off a mountain - only to be amazed at the great POND God created to recieve his fall - then and now full of fish (considered sacred)... There are stories of people dying after eating the fish from the pond...
Anyway - his wife Sarah was from Riha... She went south with him... Sarah as you probably know, is considered mother to Isac/Isak - while Abrahams other wife, Hajar, is considered mother to Ismael... And as the story goes: from Isac the nation of Israel was created - while from Ismael the nation of Arabia was created...
So your presumption/guess, is not as far-fetched as you'd think of it...
Furthermore, ties between the Kurds and the Jews are strenghtened by the fact that the when Babylonia sacked Israel and Jerusalem, the Jews were taken into exile and sent to northern Mesopotamia - which is todays South Kurdistan. To Hewlêr (Erbil), Duhok, Kerkûk and Silêmanî, to be more precise... The Jewish Rabbies were given permission (by the Babylonians) to convert the locals (if willing) and thus thousands of Kurds were converted to Judaism when the King of Adiabene (capital in modern Hewlêr) and his court accepted the new faith...
This is was around 600 BC - and the only time in history when grand scale conversion of "outsiders" has occured without any disputes or disagreement from any of the tribes - or later branches in the faith - of Israel... While later conversions have been disputed - such as the large scale conversian of Crimeans to Judaism - Which the more orthodox Jews don't accept...
Abraham was after that cataclysm which you speak of... (Ancient) Jewish history starts about 4000 BC...
Excellent! Glad you liked it... And much to my joy!
Indeed a lot of food for thought...  Tons and loads of possibilities...
By the way - have you heard the myth about Kurdish origins regarding King Salamon and his (hundreds of) virgins sent as gifts? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:00 pm |
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Here is an awsome site with PHOTOS + titles/descriptions of Kurdish Jews in Israel:
www.saradistribution.com/jewishkurds.htm
Their traditional clothes (as shown in the photos) are the same as what other Kurds wear/would wear in their time... Kurdish traditional clothes/costumes are probably the only ones which follow fashion (- changing all the time)... |
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