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Novus,
You don't know what you are, that's why you can't make up your mind who to vote for. You sound like a very young person who is trying to find their own sexuality, but afraid to admit that they are in fact Gay, but want to convince themselves, that they are straight, until they get mature enough to admit the truth to themselves at least. You claiming to be a Democrat but will vote for McCain because your party and Obama does not get one particular issue is just a cop out. Jesus, you are luck you only have one particular issue with the Democrats.  How many issues do you have with the Republicans. ??
Go find your sexuality first and then your politics will just fall in place by itself. 
Just for the record, I hope Obama will pick Richardson for his running mate for the VP position.
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I am 38, straight and more liberal than Obama. I am a civil libertarian and Obama does not seem very dedicated to all civil liberties. The one issue I am referring to was just the last straw.
Obama and McCain have been moving toward each other politically for the past year anyway. I remember there was a joke going on when Hillary still had a chance. We used to joke there was only one candidate to choose from, but it had three bodies. |
I am a civil libertarian
Well, that's your problem right there.!!
You just want Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll without any government interferences, no matter what you want to do, including Porn and Drugs, and you think the Republicans are going to me more accommodating to you than the Democrats.??
Just what the hell have you been smoking lately Novus.?
Yeah, I can just now see 71 year old McCain that you want to support, will be having wild sex orgies in the White House all a while smoking pot.
I think you have mistaken McCain with Bill Clinton I'm afraid.
At least Bill knew where to stick his "cigar" with Monica.
I think McCain stopped doing Drugs, Porn and Wild sex long time ago Novus.
Novus, your sexuality is not important to us, except to you. We accept you as you are. I was only using it as a metaphor, that's all.!! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:53 pm |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
I am a civil libertarian
Well, that's your problem right there.!!
You just want Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll without any government interferences, no matter what you want to do, including Porn and Drugs, and you think the Republicans are going to me more accommodating to you than the Democrats.??
Just what the hell have you been smoking lately Novus.?
Yeah, I can just now see 71 year old McCain that you want to support, will be having wild sex orgies in the White House all a while smoking pot.
I think you have mistaken McCain with Bill Clinton I'm afraid.
At least Bill knew where to stick his "cigar" with Monica.
I think McCain stopped doing Drugs, Porn and Wild sex long time ago Novus.
Novus, your sexuality is not important to us, except to you. We accept you as you are. I was only using it as a metaphor, that's all.!! |
Do I want to see drugs legalized or decriminalized and even provide some hard drugs by prescription? Yes, but not for me. I see the war on drugs in this country as an abject failure and we need to totally change our attitutde towards it.
I seriously doubt Obama would be for legalizing drugs or even decriminalizing it.....it is not "politically correct". So right there that is a non-issue in this campaign.
As far as our freedoms, well Obama is a sell out with the warrantless wiretapping. He would have lost me on that one alone if he didn't lose me already.
As far as McCain not doing drugs, porn and wild sex.....you have heard of viagra, haven't you? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:59 pm |
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| Novus wrote: |
| Kikapu wrote: |
I am a civil libertarian
Well, that's your problem right there.!!
You just want Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll without any government interferences, no matter what you want to do, including Porn and Drugs, and you think the Republicans are going to me more accommodating to you than the Democrats.??
Just what the hell have you been smoking lately Novus.?
Yeah, I can just now see 71 year old McCain that you want to support, will be having wild sex orgies in the White House all a while smoking pot.
I think you have mistaken McCain with Bill Clinton I'm afraid.
At least Bill knew where to stick his "cigar" with Monica.
I think McCain stopped doing Drugs, Porn and Wild sex long time ago Novus.
Novus, your sexuality is not important to us, except to you. We accept you as you are. I was only using it as a metaphor, that's all.!! |
Do I want to see drugs legalized or decriminalized and even provide some hard drugs by prescription? Yes, but not for me. I see the war on drugs in this country as an abject failure and we need to totally change our attitutde towards it.
I seriously doubt Obama would be for legalizing drugs or even decriminalizing it.....it is not "politically correct". So right there that is a non-issue in this campaign.
As far as our freedoms, well Obama is a sell out with the warrantless wiretapping. He would have lost me on that one alone if he didn't lose me already.
As far as McCain not doing drugs, porn and wild sex.....you have heard of viagra, haven't you? |
Novus, everything you have talked about or complained about in your above post, McCain 100% will not give it to you, if you think Obama won't be able to, and will also make it 100% worse on the issues you are most concerned about, that Obama may right now go along with the warrant less wiretapping. Just by not voting for Obama and instead voting for McCain, all you are doing, is just screwing yourself far more than Obama would.
Same thing with all the environmentalist voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 who had zero chance of winning to make a difference on the environment, when they could have voted for Gore, who was and is an environmentalist. But just because they had other issues with Gore. Instead, all those protest votes helped elect George Bush, who did not give crap about the environment at the time, and very little after 8 years, and lets not even get into the wars in the Middle east, so be careful what you ask for, because you might just get it, and you may end up not liking it at all, which in this case of course, John McCain, then there would go all your pot smoking freedom dreams to all pothead friends of yours. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:31 pm |
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It is not so much a matter of not caring about McCain getting into office, it is about keeping Obama out. McCain is tolerable to me (just barely), but Obama on the one issue is such a radical and extremeist there is no way I want to see him in office.
If he came out on that one issue totally reversing his position on it making him even just a moderate on the issue, and if he took Richardson on board as a running mate, I might change my mind. But as it is, pigs are more likely to start flying before that happens.
The only other thing that might make me change my mind is if McCain chooses Guilianni because the only thing worse than an anti 2nd Amendment civil right democrat is an anti 2nd Amendment civil right Republican and we all know that McCain will probably only serve a two year term.
If it wasn't for the warrantless wiretapping and the other civil rights issue, Obama would have had my full hearted vote over any Republican because I agree with him about 80%. However, that is not the case. As long as my Democratic party embraces the anti gun owner mentality, they are not going to our pro-2A-dem vote and it is time my party learns this once and for all. If it means we have to put up with a Republican president for another four years because politicians like Obama and Biden want to pander to the gun control loons lobby, then that is not my fault. |
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| Novus wrote: |
It is not so much a matter of not caring about McCain getting into office, it is about keeping Obama out. McCain is tolerable to me (just barely), but Obama on the one issue is such a radical and extremeist there is no way I want to see him in office.
If he came out on that one issue totally reversing his position on it making him even just a moderate on the issue, and if he took Richardson on board as a running mate, I might change my mind. But as it is, pigs are more likely to start flying before that happens.
The only other thing that might make me change my mind is if McCain chooses Guilianni because the only thing worse than an anti 2nd Amendment civil right democrat is an anti 2nd Amendment civil right Republican and we all know that McCain will probably only serve a two year term.
If it wasn't for the warrantless wiretapping and the other civil rights issue, Obama would have had my full hearted vote over any Republican because I agree with him about 80%. However, that is not the case. As long as my Democratic party embraces the anti gun owner mentality, they are not going to our pro-2A-dem vote and it is time my party learns this once and for all. If it means we have to put up with a Republican president for another four years because politicians like Obama and Biden want to pander to the gun control loons lobby, then that is not my fault. |
I have to say - if we put Obama and McCain next to each other, Obama is a vastly superior candidate. But the bar is depressingly low. McCain is too fake and stupid to take on that job. Do we really want someone with a combover conducting diplomacy?
BTW, Obama was only a radical and an extremist when it came to taking Hilary down. Now, he has to win the moderates - so he's supporting warrantless wiretaps, he'll leave 50,000 troops in Iraq (did anybody really believe he's get the US out of there?) and will increase troop levels in Afghanistan, etc, etc.
Very little will change if Obama becomes president. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:46 pm |
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I have few bones to pick with John McCain.
First of all, can he please stop with the "the surge worked, the surge worked, the surge worked". Enough already. At best it was a 50-50 gamble, and had it not been to other political factors on the ground, just the surge would not have worked, if it worked at all. Just what is the definition of the surge working anyway. We still have bombs going off every day. We still have Iraqi casualties everyday. We still have deaths of US soldiers every other day. So just what the hell ids McCain happy about anyway, that he thinks he should be rewarded being in the White House. I feel like I'm watching a broken record just repeating the same old song over and over again every time I turned to listen to the news. Enough already you old fool, and enough with your fake smiles and lousy jokes. Every time McCain talks, I feel like I'm in a retirement home being lectured by someone who pretends to know more than me with his condescending voice. He is beginning to sound like Bush for God sake. Bush often tries to play the part of an "educator" to us simpletons on the ground because he knows what is good for us and that he is the "decider".!
Here is another thing that has been bugging me. McCain says he knows how to win wars.! Really.! Which war has he won before that he can make that claim. He said he can win in Iraq by 2013 by the end of first term in office.! Again, really.! I thought the surge has worked. Does that not mean that we have won the war already in Iraq, and if not, then so much for the surge worked claim. but let me get back to the statement he made, that he knows how to win wars. As much as I respect him being a war hero and serving his country, even though we had no business being in Vietnam, John McCain got shot down over Vietnam while either Napalming the jungles or spraying Agent Orange which till today, we have had thousands of cases where US soldiers have had suffered from these chemicals that have altered their lives for ever. John McCain was then a prisoner of war for 5 years, and even when he had the chance to be released because he was wounded and a son of a high up in the military, he refused. But has McCain forgotten already, that we lost that war and now the Vietnamese are our trading partners. So much for the deaths of millions in that war.
Sorry Mr McCain, but as much as you are a war hero, you are no winner of wars , so lets drop the rhetoric of your war winning accomplishments ...............please.! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:44 pm |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
I have few bones to pick with John McCain.
First of all, can he please stop with the "the surge worked, the surge worked, the surge worked". Enough already. At best it was a 50-50 gamble, and had it not been to other political factors on the ground, just the surge would not have worked, if it worked at all. Just what is the definition of the surge working anyway. We still have bombs going off every day. We still have Iraqi casualties everyday. We still have deaths of US soldiers every other day. So just what the hell ids McCain happy about anyway, that he thinks he should be rewarded being in the White House. I feel like I'm watching a broken record just repeating the same old song over and over again every time I turned to listen to the news. Enough already you old fool, and enough with your fake smiles and lousy jokes. Every time McCain talks, I feel like I'm in a retirement home being lectured by someone who pretends to know more than me with his condescending voice. He is beginning to sound like Bush for God sake. Bush often tries to play the part of an "educator" to us simpletons on the ground because he knows what is good for us and that he is the "decider".!
Here is another thing that has been bugging me. McCain says he knows how to win wars.! Really.! Which war has he won before that he can make that claim. He said he can win in Iraq by 2013 by the end of first term in office.! Again, really.! I thought the surge has worked. Does that not mean that we have won the war already in Iraq, and if not, then so much for the surge worked claim. but let me get back to the statement he made, that he knows how to win wars. As much as I respect him being a war hero and serving his country, even though we had no business being in Vietnam, John McCain got shot down over Vietnam while either Napalming the jungles or spraying Agent Orange which till today, we have had thousands of cases where US soldiers have had suffered from these chemicals that have altered their lives for ever. John McCain was then a prisoner of war for 5 years, and even when he had the chance to be released because he was wounded and a son of a high up in the military, he refused. But has McCain forgotten already, that we lost that war and now the Vietnamese are our trading partners. So much for the deaths of millions in that war.
Sorry Mr McCain, but as much as you are a war hero, you are no winner of wars , so lets drop the rhetoric of your war winning accomplishments ...............please.! |
You're right.
But more to the point, the whole Iraq catastrophe has lasted longer than US involvement in WWII. The fact that McDipshit is jumping for joy that some surge worked against a militarily defenseless country after 5-1/2 year defies logic. Even if it did work, it's nothing to be proud of. |
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| McCain just stooped to an all-time low. I refer to his latest ad comparing Obama to the likes of Paris Hilton. ... Grasping at straws? Obama, on the other hand, has responded appropriately. Ladies and gentleman, you thoughts? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:02 am |
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| Well, what a brilliant acceptance speech Barack Obama gave the other day. It was so brilliant, I watched the recording once more. With Obama in office, we will once again see America's greatness in their relationship with their allies and nations in general which have been strained under the NeoCons. Exciting times are ahead for America and their friends around the world. I can't wait for the election day to come on November 4th, for the celebrations to begin. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:35 am |
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