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Postby Eliko » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:59 am

Fully realizing that this topic may be extremely unpopular amongst some members (particularly miltiades) I feel a slight compulsion to make one or two observations which might be of interest to those of us who are a little more inquisitive where matters of political manoeuvrings are concerned.

Initially, I would point out that (due to the nature of politics) it is quite pointless to rely completely on that which we are informed of through the media, since we KNOW (or should) that such information that is filtered through to us , is easily manipulated by interested parties.

What one should do (in my opinion) is try to view certain scenarios from a different perspective, try placing oneself in the position of BOTH sides of any situation and consider the possibilities of distortion that are available in order to 'press a point'.

A source from 'Harare' has reported on the awful situation that now exists regarding the distribution of food aid to the needy of Zimbabwe.

We are informed that Robert Mugabe is preventing it and (in keeping with numerous other slurs on the President of that nation) naturally WE who are informed of the situation, are inclined to protest the inhumanity of such a practice.

However, according to the OTHER source, those who are actually contributing the aid, are putting restrictions on it's availability in that it is only accessible to those who are in opposition to Robert Mugabe's regime.

Furthermore, we are informed that certain 'Diplomats' have been arrested in certain areas, in one instance, an American vehicle was stopped and searched which resulted in the tyres of that vehicle being slashed (thus preventing delivery of whatever the contents were) together with a threat issued that the vehicle and the occupants would be burned.

It would appear (from the said 'Harare' source) that these 'Diplomats' were on their way to support a rally in opposition to the President.

I wonder what would be the outcome if (in the UK or elsewhere) a 'Diplomat' from any other nation was to stand on the rostrum and advocate the overthrow of the ruling party ?.

Robert Mugabe receives more bad publicity than any other political leader (currently) and it should occur to us that there must be an underlying reason for it, he has stripped the 'White Farmers' of their rights to own land in his nation and vowed that Zimbabwe will never again be ruled by the 'White Man', I must admit that I can see a little justice in his stance BUT (for the benefit of miltiades) that does not mean that I agree with whatever inhuman acts ARE or HAVE BEEN taking place in Zimbabwe (regardless of whosoever may be behind them).

If the Western powers are genuinely concerned with the welfare of the people of Zimbabwe, it would be simplicity itself to relieve all the suffering, unfortunatel there is little profit in such a genuine act therefore there MUST be an ulterior motive for allowing such suffering.

Failing that, why do they not impose their will upon that nation as they have done on others ?, could it be that there is nothing of real value to be extracted ?. (other than the establishment of more military bases).

I suspect that the 'Game Plan' is the usual one.

First we must establish another 'Puppet Democracy' and then we will render any assistance to the people necessary to ensure their gratitude, THEY will have their piece of bread WE will have complete control of their nation. (once again).

Robert Mugabe has already told the UK to 'Mind it's own business' (which is quite a fair comment when one considers the state of the UK currently).

Gordon Brown (subsequent to his disdainful broadcast on the Zimbabwean situation) was informed by President Mugabe that he (Gordon Brown) is 'a mere speck on the face of the earth' (as we ALL are) more 'Grist for the Mill' as far as Gordon is concerned I would imagine. :lol: :lol:

Worth THINKING about, in my humble opinion. :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:11 am

I wholeheartedly agree with your attempt to instill a questioning ethos towards that which we are fed ...

Would you apply the same logic to "Religion" ? :wink:

You may of course reply on my thread if you wish to control the "Specialism" & integrity of your thread topic....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18193

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Postby Eliko » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:43 am

Oracle wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with your attempt to instill a questioning ethos towards that which we are fed ...

Would you apply the same logic to "Religion" ? :wink:

You may of course reply on my thread if you wish to control the "Specialism" & integrity of your thread topic....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18193

x :)




Absolutely Oracle, I would encourage members to apply their most dilligent reasoning capabilities to ALL situations.

Failure to do so (somewhat in 'Religious Tenets' but particularly in the 'Political Arena') will ensure that 'TRUTH' will be as obscure as the Lepracaun's pot of gold, perhaps even more difficult to obtain in the quagmire of politics.

Religious beliefs deserve a little more tolerance (in my opinion) not because of any strong beliefs that I personally do not have but out of deference to those who do.

There are so many millions of deprived people on this earth who have only their beliefs in the hereafter to cling on to, it would be an absolute cruelty to convince them of the non-existence of the 'Deities' they so fervently worship.

At times, I confess that I find it more appropriate to bolster their beliefs than deny them, but then you see, I have watched people die in the hope that they will be entering a superior domain to that which they are about to leave.

God Bless them ALL (if there be such a one). :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:55 am

Eliko wrote:
Oracle wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with your attempt to instill a questioning ethos towards that which we are fed ...

Would you apply the same logic to "Religion" ? :wink:

You may of course reply on my thread if you wish to control the "Specialism" & integrity of your thread topic....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18193

x :)




Absolutely Oracle, I would encourage members to apply their most dilligent reasoning capabilities to ALL situations.

Failure to do so (somewhat in 'Religious Tenets' but particularly in the 'Political Arena') will ensure that 'TRUTH' will be as obscure as the Lepracaun's pot of gold, perhaps even more difficult to obtain in the quagmire of politics.

Religious beliefs deserve a little more tolerance (in my opinion) not because of any strong beliefs that I personally do not have but out of deference to those who do.

There are so many millions of deprived people on this earth who have only their beliefs in the hereafter to cling on to, it would be an absolute cruelty to convince them of the non-existence of the 'Deities' they so fervently worship.

At times, I confess that I find it more appropriate to bolster their beliefs than deny them, but then you see, I have watched people die in the hope that they will be entering a superior domain to that which they are about to leave.

God Bless them ALL (if there be such a one). :wink:


I too concur on religious tolerance .. also political :wink: And the last thing I would do is contradict someone at death's door, looking the grim-reaper calmly in the face because of a belief in a happy thereafter.

I have always advocated that the only positive thing about religion is that it can help the lonely, soul-destroyed; and is a powerful agent against many psychological disorders (as well as being the direct cause of others :lol: ).

But what I ascribe is to teach awareness of the power of religion to subjugate ... whilst there is still time, whilst people are amenable to questioning ideas. Not when it is too late .... already victims of its stranglehold (disrespecting their one-life here on Earth, for promises of better things to come .. :wink: ), or finally victims of its soporificness.

That way we prevent the continuing perpetration of the divisive nature of religion and loosen its powerful grip on our lives...
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Postby tessintrnc » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:59 am

Eliko wrote:
Oracle wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with your attempt to instill a questioning ethos towards that which we are fed ...

Would you apply the same logic to "Religion" ? :wink:

You may of course reply on my thread if you wish to control the "Specialism" & integrity of your thread topic....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18193

x :)




Absolutely Oracle, I would encourage members to apply their most dilligent reasoning capabilities to ALL situations.

Failure to do so (somewhat in 'Religious Tenets' but particularly in the 'Political Arena') will ensure that 'TRUTH' will be as obscure as the Lepracaun's pot of gold, perhaps even more difficult to obtain in the quagmire of politics.

Religious beliefs deserve a little more tolerance (in my opinion) not because of any strong beliefs that I personally do not have but out of deference to those who do.

There are so many millions of deprived people on this earth who have only their beliefs in the hereafter to cling on to, it would be an absolute cruelty to convince them of the non-existence of the 'Deities' they so fervently worship.

At times, I confess that I find it more appropriate to bolster their beliefs than deny them, but then you see, I have watched people die in the hope that they will be entering a superior domain to that which they are about to leave.

God Bless them ALL (if there be such a one). :wink:


I agree absolutely Eliko, as a mother , if I had to watch my child die of starvation in my arms I would surely go mad with grief if I didn't have the belief that they had gone to a better place.
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Postby Eliko » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:59 am

Britain has warned Zimbabwe that 'Existing Sanctions' against the nation will be hardened and deepened which will result in producing even more hardship to the already besieged people of that unfortunate land.

The new (proposed sanctions) restrictive measures, will mean that the Zimbabwean people will be unable to travel outside of their own country, they will not be allowed to hold bank accounts and will not be able to send their children to schools outside of Zimbabwe unless they vote Robert Mugabe out of office. (in a nutshell).

One wonders WHY it is necessary to impose such hardship upon a nation which is already under such heavy pressure due to 'Sanctions' ?.

WHY is Robert Mugabe viewed with such disdain by those who have imposed such harsh sanctions against his nation (for as long as he is President ?)

The truth of the matter must be that Robert Mugabe is adamantly resisting the pressures imposed upon HIS nation by those who uphold the interests of the 'White Farmers & Co' whom Robert Mugabe threw out of his country.

All the horrific stories we read (and are informed of ) stem from the fact that 'Regime Change' is desired by the powers that have (by their own actions) created the horrendous problems faced by the people of Zimbabwe.

If all 'Sanctions' were lifted (rather than more imposed) the Zimbabean people would benefit from the prosperity which would naturally follow, a little technological help from those who are so set against the nation (Robert Mugabe in particular) would ensure such an event.

It serves the opposers of such progress better to impose more suffering on the Zimbabwean people since, by so doing, they may regain the stranglehold they had on that nation before Robert Mugabe kicked them out.

That's the TRUTH of the matter, as usual such opinions will attract condemnation by those who cannot see beyond the end of their noses (or page three of 'The Sun')

All the slaughter (which we are so often informed about) that is taking (or has taken) place in Zimbabwe, is the result of opposition to the ruling party, it is a horrible situation but one which could easily be solved.

Remove the sanctions, assist the nation to develop it's own resources, forget about regaining control and allow the people to live in harmony with each other under the terms of their own policies. (without interference). :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:25 am

This is really a sad situation. :(

To think we are part of the make-up of some self-appointed "world domination party" which bullishly tries to force its will and ways, upon another legal nation which is making teetering steps towards self-determination and not have some means ourselves, as truly free ( :roll: ) people, to prevent such a pattern as we have seen before from repeating itself until yet another country and its people fall into ruin. Shame on us!

This blackmailing withholding of goods, sanctions .... we might as well individually hold a gun to the heads of each citizen of Zimbabwe and force them to vote for whom we want in power ... This is not acting lawfully, fairly and democratically! For us to have decided who we accept in power or not, and threaten someone with certain death if they do not fulfill our wishes ... :roll:

I don't know if Mugabe is the best for Zimbabwe ... but I do know the greater wrong is for me to decide what his people do with their rights.

I agree Eliko, we need to stop interfering and give these people a chance to make something of their country themselves.....
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Postby CBBB » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:37 am

I am glad we all agree the situation is caused by the scheming Brits pushed by big daddy USA!

Mugabe is obviously the model democratic leader for his country.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:47 am

Mugabe is now a dictator who will do anything to hung on to power. He has lost the elections fair and square and there is only one decent thing to do. Give up the ghost!

Of course, if he goes who will protect Zimbabwe from the dreaded angloamericans?
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Postby Eliko » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:04 am

Oracle, thank you for your input, you have once again displayed your ability to 'See Through' the smokescreens which nowadays seem to seriously pervade the atmospherics in the halls of power.
I would have thought that, due to the enormous amount of misinformation that has been circulated by politicians (in recent times) and exposed as such, the general public would be capable of a little more discernment when informed of world events.

Unfortunately, such is apparently NOT the case and one can feel a degree of sympathy for those who do not have such a capacity.

I am often surprised by the fact that the slightest criticism of any event which has been fully reported through the media, can attract such furious rebuffs from those who blindly accept every detail of what they have received through those sources.

Small wonder then, that the 'Good Lord' endowed the people who admired him with the dubious title of 'Sheep', perhaps he was a better judge of human nature than others give him credit for.

Perhaps you and I are 'Black Sheep' since we do not seem to follow the general trends often displayed on this forum.

I prefer to think of myself as a bit of a 'Ram' on the quiet. :lol: :lol: How about 'Ewe ?' :lol: :lol: :wink:
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