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Postby uzan » Sat May 07, 2005 1:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:As our apologies are seen by GCs as not being sincere and unnecessary or not serving any purpose in acknowledging one anothers suffering, I feel insulted at this stance and the inhumane cold response by GCs so I do hereby withdraw my apology.

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You are very kind to apologised for the first pleace.I didnt because living away from home I can see them better they havent change abit.Dont worry you are learning like we did(they are fox under lam skin).They never stop insultin us.BIRLIK vede Beraberlik zamanidir.
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Postby Othellos » Sat May 07, 2005 1:35 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Othellos
Yet Alexandros was not exempted from being called by you an "animal".


Hes one of the few contributors on this forum whos opinion I respect, and I feel he can display the maturity and understanding to know why my outburst was not aimed at him.


Then you should go back and edit your original post in something like: "all you animals (except Alexandros)....."

:wink:

Okay, seriously now...no big deal and no harm done. Whether you can see the mistake you made earlier or not, it is up to you. We all get carried away at times anyway. But since there may be a few "uptight" and "oversensitive" members in this forum perhaps you should be a bit more careful in the future.

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Postby garbitsch » Sat May 07, 2005 2:25 pm

VP, what you have said to G.Cs was very immature. But I wonder why the same G.Cs didnt give the same response to people like Main_Source who once called Turks "Anatolian parasites" and others who still keep insulting the Turkish nation...

edit: Piratis once called Turks uncivilised and uncapable to civilise.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 07, 2005 3:08 pm

garbitsch they only see and hear what they want to and conveniently forget what suits them. Called blinkered vision.
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Postby Piratis » Sat May 07, 2005 3:45 pm

garbitsch they only see and hear what they want to and conveniently forget what suits them. Called blinkered vision


This is what you do. You keep magnifying a period of less than 2 decades, and you ignore everything what happend before or after that.

We see everything, what "suits us" and what doesn't "suit us". If you do the same you will realize that GCs were the ones victimized the most (by far) and they should not be the ones to be punished again. You should realize that you are not the Virgin Mary and that you do not deserve any kind of award on the expense of GCs.
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Postby erolz » Sat May 07, 2005 6:39 pm

Piratis wrote:For me such general statements mean very little. In any case when our human rights are violated today and when our country is occupied today, receiving apology from TCs for past events is very low in my priority list. Actually I find it quite hypocritical to apologize on one hand, and on the other hand to be determined to continue the violations of our human rights.


And my uncle is dead today. She is a widow today - and has been every day for the last 40 years. Her children live today without a father and her grandchildren without a grandfather today

Such appologies by even a single GC that my aunt recived nearly 40 years after the tradgic murder of her husband meant much to her. This was the first time that any GC had ever expressed their sorrow and regret for what happened to her husband 40 years ago at the hands of GC. For me personaly and I also suspect for many TC such appologies are very important. The denial of GC for their part in the mess that is Cyprus today is a constant cause of lack or repraochment and understanding between GC and TC - and it continues today with the outregous statements like those made by TP.

Piratis wrote:The only thing I believe I can ask for an apology (because it involved the majority of GCs) is the fact that GCs before 1960 were drunk by nationalism and they though of TCs as something less than compatriots and they didn't take their fears seriously.

Of course on top of this, we had a small minority of far right wingers that committed some outrageous crimes against members of the TC community. Personally I will fully support the TCs if they decide to prosecute those criminals.


It is not just that GC persued a Greek nationalist ideal that simply sought to marginalise the TC community before 1960. They also continued to persue such devisive ideals long after 1960 and after they agreed to 'reject' them in the 60's agrements. They used the balance of power (your favourite phrase) they had in Cyprus (but not the region) AFTER 1960 in the persuit of the Greek nationalist ideals and divisive polices. This was not done by a samll group of 'extremists' by by the GC state itself. If GC in general had shown even 1/100th of the outrage they now show about abuses of human rights and legailty and the abuse of 'balance of power' in period 60-74 then Cyprus would not be in this mess today. If these acts of oppression against a smaller weaker TC communinty by GC was just the work of a small minority of GC extremeists then were were the efforts by the GC state to seek and prosecute these extrmists. Where were the actircles in the GC press condeming these extremists? Where were the arcticles about abuse of TC human rights by GC in this period? The mass anguish of the GC community at the 25,000 TC refugess in their own homeland? The fact is that the GC community directly or indirectly cared nothing for the TC community not just in it's goals prior to 1960 but in it's goals and actions throughout the period 60-74. If they had then this mees we have today may have been averted. As long as you continue to isnsit the reposnibility of the GC community ended in 1960 then hopes for treu reconcillation are remote as far as you are represetnaive of the GC community in my opinion.
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Postby erolz » Sat May 07, 2005 7:00 pm

Piratis wrote:
This is what you do. You keep magnifying a period of less than 2 decades, and you ignore everything what happend before or after that.


What 'we' are doing is trying to counter you 'propaganda' that after 1960 - the fonding of the Cypriot nation as an indpendent nation - GC did nothing to cause promote exasperate and continue the mess that is Cyprus today and have no responbsibility expcept perhaps for a small minority of GC extremists. Your propaganda that the Cyprus problem started in 74 and is caused by T/TC greed and desire to steal and profit from the backs of hard working and innocent GC. As long as you continue with this approach do not be surprised if we try and counter such views.

Piratis wrote:
We see everything, what "suits us" and what doesn't "suit us". If you do the same you will realize that GCs were the ones victimized the most (by far) and they should not be the ones to be punished again. You should realize that you are not the Virgin Mary and that you do not deserve any kind of award on the expense of GCs.


This kind of appraoch is, with respect, futile and childish. We need to accept and appologies and reject those actions of ourselves and our leadership past and present that created and maintain the Cyprus problem today and you need to the same. All I see is an insistance that we appologise and resolve all your issues whilst you deny any responsibility of the GC community in general and when faced with direct evidence or facts of GC responsibility for the current mess retreat back to 'but you oppressed us for 100 years before'. Whatever happened to GC before 1960 does not change the reality of how GC behaved after 1960 and their culpability for the mess we are now in.
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Postby Othellos » Sat May 07, 2005 7:12 pm

It is not just that GC persued a Greek nationalist ideal that simply sought to marginalise the TC community before 1960........(etc)


There is nothing new here. You talk about GC Natonalist ideals being pursued when the TCs walked out of the RoC and when a TC separatist administration was installed in place. You talk about TC refugees when you are well aware that thousands of them were moved into enclaves upon Ankara's orders while many others were never allowed to return to their homes. And all this despite the fact that many other TCs never became refugees and continued to live in areas outside the Turkish set enclaves. And of course nothing about GC suffering before or after 1960. As usual u remember selectively only part of the story. Nothing about GC anguish and nothing about GC refugees. 100% one sided and totally biased!

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Postby Main_Source » Sat May 07, 2005 7:20 pm

people like Main_Source who once called Turks "Anatolian parasites" and others who still keep insulting the Turkish nation...


Did I call all Turkish people 'ANATOLIAN PARASITES'? or the settlers who claimed something for nothing and moved into another persons house?
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Postby brother » Sat May 07, 2005 9:08 pm

So what have we learnt here, if you insult one another you all go backwards and start rubbing salt in old wounds when we should be going forward and making amends.

Lets all agree to always stay civilised however much the other person may upset us and i believe we will eventually progress

Beyound that VP when you apologised you should not expect anything in return, as i don't, i have done whats right and can look people in the eye, as you would hence retracting leaves a little doubt in the sincerity of it to start of with.

Only do an apology if you mean it and expect nothing in return, this is a selfless act.
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