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[Main_Source]

Brother, as a GC...I am not looking for an apology from you, or any other ordinary TC who has nothing to do with being aggressive toward any GC. Why should you apologise for what the Turkish government has done?

Which is the same about GC aggression towards TC, why should people who are innocent in all this apologise on the behalf of an agressive politcal party...and why should they be made refugees?

I had to go a funeral today of an old lady who lost her house in Komi Kebir...and as much as my hate for the Turkish government has escalated today, i'm not looking for apologies from innocent people.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Brother, as a GC...I am not looking for an apology from you, or any other ordinary TC who has nothing to do with being aggressive toward any GC. Why should you apologise for what the Turkish government has done?

Which is the same about GC aggression towards TC, why should people who are innocent in all this apologise on the behalf of an agressive politcal party...and why should they be made refugees?

I had to go a funeral today of an old lady who lost her house in Komi Kebir...and as much as my hate for the Turkish government has escalated today, i'm not looking for apologies from innocent people.

Main_Source, I am not sure I agree with the message behind your thinking.

Are you saying that all responsibilities for the hardship of Cypriots lies with Turkey, who decided, out of the blue, to invade one day?

Of course Turkey is not innocent, neither is Greece, but much blame lies with us Cypriots as well, GC and TC. Nationalism was rampant in the 1960s, and both GCs and TCs, in quite large numbers, were carried away by it. That generation of Cypriots carries a lot of responsibility.

Also, our own generation carries a lot of responsibility, GC and TC, because we have not worked hard enough to promote a solution, and instead we have been wasting our time in self-justification, each side trying to convince the foreigners that the other side is "the bad one".

But since in this thread we are supposed to talk about our own community, I have this to say: I am personally ashamed of the attitude and mentality of many in my community. I am less angry with our parents' generation, who after all were following a dream, however misguided, than I am with our own generation, which is mostly after making money and having a good time. If it means anything to extend apologies on behalf of my community, then by all means I extend my apologies. However, I also feel that offering apologies without experiencing repentance is somewhat hollow, and I am still waiting to see whether sufficient repentance is actually there ...

My apologies if this post has distressed anyone ...

[Bananiot]

Excellent Alexandros, your bit gave me hope again that not all is lost.

[gabaston]

I firmly believe that most gc’s are good hearted people, as most tc’s are.
Alexandros Lordos your views on this topic are respected, and reciprocated. I am from the generation that can remember the sixties
very well. Our generation will never forget, we cant.My next generations .i.e. ou kids were brought up in London, all of their friends
Are tcs gcs and other ethnics. This generation haven’t got a clue about cyprob, except for what they hear from their parents
and grandparents. If it were up to them (my kids generations), there would be no mistrust nor hatred.

I think with each generation more trust will be built, and somewhere down the line they may well integrate again.
We should be careful what we tell them, and what we expose them to.

My daughter for example knows very little of cyprob, we don’t tell her cyprus 60’s stories, and she couldn’t understand
Why gs and cc acted so childish in Cyprus and couldn’t live together, like her generation do. Two months later she visited the greek side with
her greek friends, and having been exposed to the slogans she now is reconsidering her views.

So somewhere down the road there may be a generation who’ll solve this. So for their sake it may be best to show openness and honesty, regret, understanding to the other-side.

[Piratis]

I was not born until after 74, and my family was not involved in anything against TCs. I believe that the best apology should come from those that supported the crimes, because this will show that they have regreted for their actions.

The only thing I believe I can ask for an apology (because it involved the majority of GCs) is the fact that GCs before 1960 were drunk by nationalism and they though of TCs as something less than compatriots and they didn't take their fears seriously.

Of course on top of this, we had a small minority of far right wingers that committed some outrageous crimes against members of the TC community. Personally I will fully support the TCs if they decide to prosecute those criminals.

I to apologies to the Greek Cypriot community for the hardship and pain my community has caused them, Im sincerely sorry.

For me such general statements mean very little. In any case when our human rights are violated today and when our country is occupied today, receiving apology from TCs for past events is very low in my priority list. Actually I find it quite hypocritical to apologize on one hand, and on the other hand to be determined to continue the violations of our human rights.

Probably the only TC in here that truly wouldn't like such violations to continue is Brother. The rest seem to put their special interests above the human rights of GCs. (sure, everybody cares about his/her interests. But such interests can not be put above the human rights of others!!)

[metecyp]

No, what I meant was that I can apologize (and I did) but it's not going to matter much if we don't agree on a solution. We can keep apologizing for 100 years and nothing will be different if we don't agree on a solution. Am I wrong? Maybe.

For me such general statements mean very little. In any case when our human rights are violated today and when our country is occupied today, receiving apology from TCs for past events is very low in my priority list.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Viewpoint]

Id like to thank all our GC "friends" for their apologies,

For me such general statements mean very little. In any case when our human rights are violated today and when our country is occupied today, receiving apology from TCs for past events is very low in my priority list.

This is a good example and the difference between TCs & GCs that will keep us divided for many years to come.

A few TCs displayed their regrets as we cannot turn back the clock and actually apologised, this was taken by GCs belittled and thrown back in our faces, how disgusting.

It makes me even more disheartened with GCs, why bother.

[Main_Source]

Are you saying that all responsibilities for the hardship of Cypriots lies with Turkey, who decided, out of the blue, to invade one day?

YES! The Cyprus problem right now lies with Turkey. They abused their role as guarantors. Firstly they had no right to step onto Cyprus, as rules stated they had to wait 30 years as guarantors to do this. Secondly, they claimed they were invading as peacekeepers but we all now this wasnt the case. They always wanted Cyprus as a colonial outpost. Greece was defenetly not innocent back then, but since the Greek Junta went out of power, I can only see Turkey as the aggressors in this. They are currently occupying a foregin land and the problem lies with them. They are also the ones who tried to change the demographics of the island and caused the current problem of whether refugees should return to ther homes.

As for blaming the current generation, well I dont see its there fault as much as our parents, as the current generation has been brought to think they way they are thinking by our parents...But as for the way our parents think, I wouldnt blame them either. I blame the people who have oppressed GC for hundreds or years and not let them rule there own island. If you look at other historical examples, nationalism often rises from an indeginous population who are under foreign rule. This is not a GC problem, the instigators...TO ME...are the foreigners who have ruled over Cyprus and oppressed its peoples.

As for Brother's apology...why should he apologies!? What has he done personally wrong!? He doesn't seem to think along the same lines as Turkish nationalists, so why should he apologies? Then again, why should you want an apology from our parents generation? Why should you ask a whole group of people to apologies when individually, many of them have done nothing wrong. I dont understand this.

Right now though, for me...the main problem lies with Turkey. Not only do they occupy OUR (as in Cypriots) island but their government makes official statements that degrades all Greeks and seems to simply want Turkish people to see Greeks in a bad light.

The days of enosis are long gone but Turkey still does its upmost to occupy our island for it's colonial expansionism.

[brother]

Guys the idea behind the apology is to acknowledge the pain of the other half of our community, this does not make the past go away but it shows that the present generation is not misguided and can accept its communities blame in the mess we are in, given enough time and enough people apologising we can be strong enough to demand the likes of Turkey, Greece etc. to do whats right but without this acknowledgement of each others suffering we will keep going around in circles and the bigger powers will just keep playing us off each other.

I SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE HEAL OUR COMMUNITIES SO WE CAN FACE UP TO THE LARGER POWERS, THE GC COMMUNITY SHOWED THAT THEY CAN DO IT WITH THE 'OXI' VOTE NOW IMAGINE WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHAR TC/GC AS ONE.........THINK ABOUT IT


ANY APOLOGY MADE WILL NEVER BE IN VAIN, IT SHOWS HOW WE ARE ALL BEYOND THE PROPOGANDA