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Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:46 pm

The partnership will comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.

...so much we know, so far.



Dearest President,

My hope is that you will consider how "bizonal" can be defined so that the repopulation of the island will include the return of communities (, as well as individuals).

It is possible to secure our freedom of movement, and association with the addition to our geography of enclaves.

Militarily it will not be possible for two opposing forces to escalate their interests behind a defended position where their power is exclusive because with enclaves there will be no "Border" as a frontier (but rather, many frontiers).

It will be possible for every citizen, of whatever ethnicity to identify themselves with Cyprus as a whole, given a map much like as it is today, but spotted.

Addressing the issue of the displaced, from the 60's and 70's is the most important issue in terms of a need for Justice to be seen. In any solution there will be tens of thousands who will also need some consideration in their displacement. Enclaves will provide for good planning and for the development of the island with the future in mind.This Problem cannot be solved with monetary compensation alone. And the Patrimony which will be lost forever by tearing the island in two has no measurable cost, the loss to Mankind would be tragic.

Since two National Assemblies will define themselves by a territory overwhich their Jurisdiction will be to serve one community as a majority, it is possible to de-link the occupation of the land by the Turkish Army, in a manner where territory is lost and gained reciprocally by both parties, and the exchange provides for them a satisfaction in that what is "Turkish" is sustained and in the change there is a chance for it to prosper.

We need a State which is strong and is credible to represent our interests as this island's dwellers within the Global sphere. As individuals we need this State to be our defender and our representative in bettering these Rights as partners within the larger Family of Man. Yet our identity as Persons needs its nurturing, too; I think Mr. Talat will agree as well.

Enclaves provide a change in tact which will end the impasse, as a 'fait accompli'.

A euphructory right may solve many issues with the movement of so many people...

...In cases where families have suffered missing and murder, their Rights to retake possession of what is their's, deserves immediate redress (and in the manner they choose), but in most (many) cases, (inside and) outside of the enclaves, I would guess, "ownership", rather than use, will be the primary concern.

Humbly, I hope this is of service to our cause.

I remain steadfast, warmly.

Respectfully Yours,

...


...between tearing the island into two pieces and enclaves, which would you choose?
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Postby Filitsa » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:18 pm

What does euphructory mean?
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Postby Magnus » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:45 pm

Filitsa wrote:What does euphructory mean?


I wondered too, so I tried Googling this and it came up with 'Usufructuary'. Maybe it's the same thing?

Usufruct is the right of temporary possession and enjoyment of something that belongs to somebody else, so far as that can be done without causing damage or changing its substance. For example, a slave in classical Rome could not own anything. Things he acquired as the result of his labour he merely held usus (et) fructus, under “use (and) enjoyment” — it was his master who actually owned them.

The term remains in use in modern US legal practice and elsewhere to mean somebody who “enjoys the fruits” of something, usually land. These days a usufructuary can be a trustee who enjoys the produce or income from property he holds in trust for somebody else. Many Native American groups hold land on a usufruct basis, with rights to enjoy the renewable natural resources of the land for hunting and fishing.


http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-usu1.htm
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Postby Filitsa » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:13 pm

Magnus wrote:
Filitsa wrote:What does euphructory mean?


I wondered too, so I tried Googling this and it came up with 'Usufructuary'. Maybe it's the same thing?

Usufruct is the right of temporary possession and enjoyment of something that belongs to somebody else, so far as that can be done without causing damage or changing its substance. For example, a slave in classical Rome could not own anything. Things he acquired as the result of his labour he merely held usus (et) fructus, under “use (and) enjoyment” — it was his master who actually owned them.

The term remains in use in modern US legal practice and elsewhere to mean somebody who “enjoys the fruits” of something, usually land. These days a usufructuary can be a trustee who enjoys the produce or income from property he holds in trust for somebody else. Many Native American groups hold land on a usufruct basis, with rights to enjoy the renewable natural resources of the land for hunting and fishing.


http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-usu1.htm


Thanks, Magnus. I'm familiar with the term usufructuary. On the one hand, I thought perhaps this was what repulsewarrior meant, but on the otherhand, I thought perhaps I'm missing something. It's usually the latter. :)
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:22 pm

very correct magnus. most importantly, in legal terms, a time is fixed to this right. in this manner, the "fruits" are enjoyed by the ones who laboured planting the trees, but in their "possesion" the trees are returned to the owner of the land on a specific date.

"eu" enjoy(pleasing), "fructis" fruit

in terms of the Cyprus Problem, houses and other assets have a monetary value above that of the land, making the issue of land rights most complex. organising the movement of perhaps thousands of people will require time.

the euphructory right, although onerous on the rightful owner, secures the benefit of allowing for a period where the issues can be discussed by the individuals who are directly related so that the transition as a benefit is enjoyed by all.

Enclaves are not related to the enjoyment of our Individual Rights. More importantly, as Persons they will demonstrate our commitment to the value of Basic Human Principals, which in the past were either ignored or manipulated, causing the intolerance which has left us less as Peoples, torn apart and isolated from each other.

p.s. usu and eu; probably my spelling or my poor knowledge of legal terms.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:29 pm

...which would you choose, enclaves or partition?
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Postby kurupetos » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:53 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...which would you choose, enclaves or partition?


partition.
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Postby Filitsa » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:37 pm

repulsewarrior, re: usufructuary, more clearly: usu = use or enjoyment in the sense of usage

Anyway, do you propose voluntary residence in the enclaves? Given, for example, someone who chooses partition, should he be forced to live in an enclave just because his village is on the other side?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:58 pm

No holds, no bars, no barriers, no ghettos, no enclaves, no cells, no citadels, no boundaries .... no physical nor mental spatial separations!

The four walls of a home to protect against the elements, is delineating a membrane enough.
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Postby Magnus » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:57 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...which would you choose, enclaves or partition?


Is it really just a choice between these two options? I have to be honest and say that I personally would rather see a single state without divisions of any kind, inhabited by people who love and are loyal to Cyprus.

This might be foolish or unlikely but I would be prepared to wait another 34 years and let the streets be opened up one at a time if need be. There is just something about having barriers that makes me uncomfortable, whether they be enclave or partition.
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