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Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Free Spirit » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:27 am

Isn't it god to see Israel sorting out the cowards who set up rocket and mortar sites within populated areas inside Gaza and then send these missiles randomly into peaceful civilian districts inside Israel.
This action has long been overdue in my humble opinion, for too long these Muslim cowards have waged a war on Israel whilst hiding behind civillians of all ages.
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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:31 am

Free Spirit wrote:Isn't it god to see Israel sorting out the cowards who set up rocket and mortar sites within populated areas inside Gaza and then send these missiles randomly into peaceful civilian districts inside Israel.
This action has long been overdue in my humble opinion, for too long these Muslim cowards have waged a war on Israel whilst hiding behind civillians of all ages.


My dear naive forumer. Israel will never put HAMAS in its place, but you can rest assured that the killing of innocents WILL be avenged by the next wave of suicide bombings against the Israeli nation and also terrorist attacks against the West. Round and Round and Round and Round we will go, where the flow of blood will just increase.

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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Free Spirit » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:01 am

Paphitis wrote: but you can rest assured that the killing of innocents WILL be avenged by the next wave of suicide bombings against the Israeli nation and also terrorist attacks against the West. Round and Round and Round and Round we will go, where the flow of blood will just increase.


Just the kind of response that I expected, it's ok for hamas to send random rockets/mortars into civillians areas of Israel from firing points within palestinian residential areas but the minute Israel quite rightly retaliates all hell breaks loose.
If I were living in Gaza I'd not tolerate the hamas cowardly scum setting up a firing point outside my house.
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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:23 am

Free Spirit wrote:
Paphitis wrote: but you can rest assured that the killing of innocents WILL be avenged by the next wave of suicide bombings against the Israeli nation and also terrorist attacks against the West. Round and Round and Round and Round we will go, where the flow of blood will just increase.


Just the kind of response that I expected, it's ok for hamas to send random rockets/mortars into civillians areas of Israel from firing points within palestinian residential areas but the minute Israel quite rightly retaliates all hell breaks loose.
If I were living in Gaza I'd not tolerate the hamas cowardly scum setting up a firing point outside my house.


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I never said such a thing.

All I said is that these atatcks on innocents WILL result on more attacks on innocents by HAMAS. Same thing really, but I fail to see how you can claim one is right over the other.

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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Free Spirit » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:13 am

Paphitis wrote:All I said is that these atatcks on innocents WILL result on more attacks on innocents by HAMAS. Same thing really, but I fail to see how you can claim one is right over the other.


Israel isn't attacking innocents it's attacking sites that have been deliberately placed inside heavily populated areas.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:43 am

Free Spirit wrote:
Paphitis wrote:All I said is that these atatcks on innocents WILL result on more attacks on innocents by HAMAS. Same thing really, but I fail to see how you can claim one is right over the other.


Israel isn't attacking innocents it's attacking sites that have been deliberately placed inside heavily populated areas.


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I beg to differ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... iddle-east

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... l-20080303

http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/238939

http://ww4report.com/node/6583

So far over 364 civilians killed and 1400 civilians seriously injured.
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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:28 am



The problem is that Hamas did provoke this attack, and while we can debate about 'proportionate' responses, the fact that Hamas (a) uses non-combatants as cover for their military operations, thus bringing death and injury upon the non-combatants, and (b) is putting a political stance (opposition to Israel) way ahead of their obligation as an elected government to look after the well-being of their people makes their actions rather reprehensible, IMHO.
Now, Israel is trying to minimize the civilian casualties - 'collateral damage' as the Americans would say - which is in contrast to the indiscriminate rocket attacks of Hamas, so condemning Israel really isn't warranted at this stage... IMHO. Hamas chose to attack Israel, and they chose not to recognize, make peace, or negotiate with Israel. They are now reaping the 'benefits' of that stance, and a lot of people are going to die as a result...
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:54 am

The problem is that Hamas did provoke this attack, and while we can debate about 'proportionate' responses, the fact that Hamas (a) uses non-combatants as cover for their military operations, thus bringing death and injury upon the non-combatants, and (b) is putting a political stance (opposition to Israel) way ahead of their obligation as an elected government to look after the well-being of their people makes their actions rather reprehensible, IMHO.


Sorry, but you have the wrong person to be debating such a thing because, I do not endorse the methods employed by HAMAS or their terror campaign against Israel. On the same token, I also find the Israeli military action against defenceless individuals rather reprehensible, and this action should be condemned by all peaceful loving nations. It is rather cowardly to be attacking civilian areas by Helicopter Gunships and then to not expect HAMAS to retaliate by employing any means available to them. One thing is for sure, they do not have the Helicopter Gunships to be able to attack Israel in the same fashion.

Now, Israel is trying to minimize the civilian casualties - 'collateral damage' as the Americans would say - which is in contrast to the indiscriminate rocket attacks of Hamas, so condemning Israel really isn't warranted at this stage... IMHO. Hamas chose to attack Israel, and they chose not to recognize, make peace, or negotiate with Israel. They are now reaping the 'benefits' of that stance, and a lot of people are going to die as a result...


I disagree. Two wrongs do not make a right. Killing over 300 civilians is just not on, and as far as I am concerned this action should be considered a war crime.

If the Israelis were serious about restricting civilian casualties, then they would have sent in the army and conducted house to house searches for the terrorists. This type of action would have been a bit more risky, but killing so many civilians is just insane in my view.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:14 am

Paphitis wrote:
The problem is that Hamas did provoke this attack, and while we can debate about 'proportionate' responses, the fact that Hamas (a) uses non-combatants as cover for their military operations, thus bringing death and injury upon the non-combatants, and (b) is putting a political stance (opposition to Israel) way ahead of their obligation as an elected government to look after the well-being of their people makes their actions rather reprehensible, IMHO.


Sorry, but you have the wrong person to be debating such a thing because, I do not endorse the methods employed by HAMAS or their terror campaign against Israel. On the same token, I also find the Israeli military action against defenceless individuals rather reprehensible, and this action should be condemned by all peaceful loving nations. It is rather cowardly to be attacking civilian areas by Helicopter Gunships and then to not expect HAMAS to retaliate by employing any means available to them. One thing is for sure, they do not have the Helicopter Gunships to be able to attack Israel in the same fashion.

Now, Israel is trying to minimize the civilian casualties - 'collateral damage' as the Americans would say - which is in contrast to the indiscriminate rocket attacks of Hamas, so condemning Israel really isn't warranted at this stage... IMHO. Hamas chose to attack Israel, and they chose not to recognize, make peace, or negotiate with Israel. They are now reaping the 'benefits' of that stance, and a lot of people are going to die as a result...


I disagree. Two wrongs do not make a right. Killing over 300 civilians is just not on, and as far as I am concerned this action should be considered a war crime.

If the Israelis were serious about restricting civilian casualties, then they would have sent in the army and conducted house to house searches for the terrorists. This type of action would have been a bit more risky, but killing so many civilians is just insane in my view.


Paphitis, ALL killing is wrong, but Hamas' policy of using human shields with impunity is horrible. I hope you're not condoning that!
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:28 am

utu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
The problem is that Hamas did provoke this attack, and while we can debate about 'proportionate' responses, the fact that Hamas (a) uses non-combatants as cover for their military operations, thus bringing death and injury upon the non-combatants, and (b) is putting a political stance (opposition to Israel) way ahead of their obligation as an elected government to look after the well-being of their people makes their actions rather reprehensible, IMHO.


Sorry, but you have the wrong person to be debating such a thing because, I do not endorse the methods employed by HAMAS or their terror campaign against Israel. On the same token, I also find the Israeli military action against defenceless individuals rather reprehensible, and this action should be condemned by all peaceful loving nations. It is rather cowardly to be attacking civilian areas by Helicopter Gunships and then to not expect HAMAS to retaliate by employing any means available to them. One thing is for sure, they do not have the Helicopter Gunships to be able to attack Israel in the same fashion.

Now, Israel is trying to minimize the civilian casualties - 'collateral damage' as the Americans would say - which is in contrast to the indiscriminate rocket attacks of Hamas, so condemning Israel really isn't warranted at this stage... IMHO. Hamas chose to attack Israel, and they chose not to recognize, make peace, or negotiate with Israel. They are now reaping the 'benefits' of that stance, and a lot of people are going to die as a result...


I disagree. Two wrongs do not make a right. Killing over 300 civilians is just not on, and as far as I am concerned this action should be considered a war crime.

If the Israelis were serious about restricting civilian casualties, then they would have sent in the army and conducted house to house searches for the terrorists. This type of action would have been a bit more risky, but killing so many civilians is just insane in my view.


Paphitis, ALL killing is wrong, but Hamas' policy of using human shields with impunity is horrible. I hope you're not condoning that!


I do not condone anything!

Israeli military action on unarmed civilians is equally horrible.

I hope you are not condoning this Israeli war crime?
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