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A few thoughts

Postby meerkat » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:12 am

Not sure whether to get involved in all this looking at some of the comments but thought I'd write a few lines anyhow.
For starters I was going to agree with someone that had written earlier about any known fascists from either side being deported-Personally I reckon to their "mother" country(Greece or Turkey) so only Cypriots that desire peace reside on the island.
A few ideas wouuld be:
First of all get rid off the big flag in the North on the mountains as this only serves to antagonise the South.
I think for now the Greeks should be given back another 9% of land (this is all approximate basing it on the originally Greeks had approx 80% population and Turks 20% (the North is 37% approx of land so
37-20=17/2=8.5 say 9%),this should at least include Varosha.I think this is reasonably fair seeing as from what I've gathered the G.Cs (EOKA)were the ones to start the latest conflict which resulted in Turkey having to intervene to protect the T.Cs.Incidentally have some of the Greek land owners in the North tried to get any compensation from the instigators of the troubles as they basically gambled with innocent GCs land ?
Maybe a pot could be formed where any property purchase/sale in the North has a small tax levied on it and this could go towards compensation for people displaced in the troubles(mainly for the G.C as the TC were the ones that were being protected by the peace keeping force).
Rental car companies should allow tourists to drive to either side easily as this will boost tourism on the whole island
If there are young peoples bars/nightclubs areas etc(ie potential trouble spots maybe have them in clusters like say Las Americas in Tenerife where police surround and deal with it quickly.
I think building mosques should be discouraged in the North as I don't think the TCs are particularly religious in the main and maybe they should veer towards being a Christian
Have one police force for the whole island comprising say GCs ,TCs with U.S and maybe UK Greek and Turkish descent officers wotking alongside and maybe involved in the training of the locals
I reckon Greece and Turkey should sort the negotiations out like 2 adults would instead of leaving it to 2 kids(GCs and TCs)
Has anyone by the way worked out how much has been spent already on all these negotiations and all the bureucracy involved?-this amount would have been better spent towards any compensation due-what do you think?-I think GCs and TCs are starting to think that these delaying tactics are only to make the politicians and all involved richer and no one else
I guess a lot of what I've put down has already been mentioned somewhere before but I'm not going to trawl through all the comments /proposals to see if they are
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:47 am

Piss off, Cyprus is Greek!


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Postby meerkat » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:07 am

Don't really want to waste my time commenting on your comments so will leave you to it
Have a great day if you can
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Postby EricSeans » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:29 pm

meerkat,

Some interesting points there. But what analysis makes you believe, quote: "the G.Cs (EOKA) were the ones to start the latest conflict which resulted in Turkey having to intervene to protect the T.Cs"?
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Postby meerkat » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:35 pm

As I said I am open to correction,but I think this is pretty much a well known fact-this is not to say the Turks have all always been angels before this but you have to start from the last conflict-I don't think the Turks woke up one morning and said let's invade Cyprus and partitition it off for no reason-I think they exercised their right over some treaty or other.Anyway the point is enough is enough.Do the people really want to see peace in Cyprus in their lifetime or not, or be still squabbling over land issues etc for another 36years.A lot of the proposals seem far too complicated and you'll never please everyone anyway. I think a large laid back but no messing when needed to be , well organised and coordinated/managed polce force would be better than loads of troops on the island.These could and should have stints on either side.
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Postby EricSeans » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:12 pm

meerkat,

What you are saying is what newbies often get told when they are looking to buy property in the north. In 1974 Cyprus was attacked by one NATO member country (Greece) and then invaded by another (Turkey). It's a convenient excuse for invasion apologists to say Turkey was protecting the Turkish Cypriots, but in reality Ankara already had planned to partition Cyprus back in the 1950s and the invasion led to hundreds of TCs being killed. The Turkish armed forces and Turkish state have always put their own interests before the welfare of ordinary TCs. That's why they won't even trust them to run their own police force.
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Postby meerkat » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:05 am

I apologise if I don't reply within a short time of any comments made as I'm busy with a lot of other things and have limited interest in Cyprus and in fact may not reply for days or even a week or so.This is not to trawl through the internet/history history books to get facts straight as I'm not that interested -it's just what I have seen or briefly read somewhere.I didn't know for instance that Greece attacked Cyprus-with regard to a planned partition I find it hard to believe they waited 15-20 years to do so if there was no reason to do so in '74-wasn't it a coup and the fact that Sampson(EOKA-B) who sought Enosis was about to take power and some outbreaks of violence against the T.Cs before this?-Also why partition it off and then spend money trying to support it for 36 years up to now-some people say they break even but a lot of people say they run it as a loss(who knows?).Yes I agree that the trustworthiness of the Turks is questionable but then again who can you trust?-history books/internet often can't be trusted either as they are normally biased one way or another but the bits I have browsed through are supposeed to be by "unbiased writers" -Excuse the analogy but-Seems to me that what happened was that 2 kids (GC and TC) had some marbles(pop/land) .GC had 80(% of pop/land) and TC had 20(%pop/land )and the GC being bigger wanted to take them all-the TCs big brother stepped in and divided the marbles up giving the TCs more than what they originally had (17%).This in fairness was too much and should now give back say 9% of them but keep the other 9% as a warning as to the GC to not try it again,somehow the marbles got muddied in the process so this is why it is best for now to just give back 9% rather than get lawyers /solicitors etc to spend ages/everyones money on trying to sort out whose marbles are whose -GC just take 9% more and TC except that you have to lose 9% of what you never had in the first place
It also seems that there a lot of people in Cyprus that don't want anything to be sorted out for their own personal /financial reasons
I also think that having a neighbour U.N country like Turkey could be a positive for the RoC as if there was trouble in the middle east they would be at hand as it would be quite precarious for the RocC with so many other muslim countries closeby
Anyway for now I llook forward to the day (if it ever happens) that I can drive around the island without thinking of "troubles " etc as I'm fast losing faith as are a lot of other people in Cyprus and will not holiday there anymore if nothing is sorted soon-who wants to go to an island where it's a drama to drive around it?
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Postby meerkat » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:45 am

Just to clarify-I meant a U.S/West friendly neighbour even though lightly Muslim.Maybe Turkey should clarify/state if they haven't already that they would protect RoC if anything broke out in the area.Maybe aim for the whole of Cyprus to be Christian.
Before you say it I haven't lost my marbles ..yet.lol
Anyway guys I'll leave you all to it as I'm busy for a few days at least and may not bother writing on this forum again anyway.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:30 am

One point worth considering is that America kept flashing a red light at Turkey every time she wanted to intervene in Cyprus up until 1974, when Kissinger suddenly turned the light to green.
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Postby observer » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:53 am

Tim Drayton wrote:One point worth considering is that America kept flashing a red light at Turkey every time she wanted to intervene in Cyprus up until 1974, when Kissinger suddenly turned the light to green.


Is there any real evidence for Kissinger giving a green light? Without convincing evidence, I'm more inclined to think that as Washington was at the height of the Watergate scandal at the time, with President Nixon within days of resigning, the US State Department just had other, more important things on its collective mind, than a little problem (as seen from Washington) in the Eastern Mediterranean. The failure to stop Turkey (or Greece) was more likely to have been a case of indecision rather than switching on a light of any colour.
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