ENOSIS, Again?
| Is ENOSIS a right of Greek Cypriots? |
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 Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:56 pm |
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“Our proposal was not accepted by the Turkish Cypriots and so it’s too late to change the programme that was already too stressed, so we will not be taking the torch to the north,” he said.
“We did not ask for anything more than we would ask any other city we would go to,” he added.
“You should ask the Turkish Cypriots why the torch is not going to the north.” |
Why should I believe your Ali Volkan and not Bolos?
Isn't it true that your authorities make everything possible to be recognized as a state? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:04 am |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:37 am |
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Isn't it true that your authorities make everything possible to be recognized as a state?
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No. It's that paranoia again. Do you think that if they wanted to use this for recognition of TRNC, they would still have had a song by a bi-communal choir? Or release doves into the air and hand out olive branches?
And besides even if they used it for recognition, how would this simple event change anything? Would EU start recognizing the TRNC since the Olympic Torch went around in the north? It's that recognition paranoia causing all this nonsense. Now we read from the Turkish media how Greeks "prevented" the torch entering the north and all that negative stuff. It would have been much better if the torch made in the north symbolizing the long-waited union and peace on the island. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:04 am |
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| It would have been much better if the torch made in the north symbolizing the long-waited union and peace on the island. |
Since when the Olympic torch symbolizes union?
Doves and olive branches symbolize peace, not unity.
The bi-communal choir singing under the "TRNC" flags again doesn't symbolize unity, does it? (and lets face it, the "TRNC" flags wouldn't be absent).
If they wanted to give at least one sign of unity they could for example say that Greek Cypriots could move freely (without showing IDs etc) to the whole Cyprus during this day. It would be a small gesture, but at least one that would truly symbolize unity. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:42 am |
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If they wanted to give at least one sign of unity they could for example say that Greek Cypriots could move freely (without showing IDs etc) to the whole Cyprus during this day. It would be a small gesture, but at least one that would truly symbolize unity.
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First the borders were opened, then over-night stay for GCs in the north introduced. Then the passport requirement lifted and I think overnight stay period was extended as well. The car insurane was also extended from 1 month to 1 year. I'm sure the ID requirement will be lifted at some point. We're doing what we can step by step. Tell me what your side did since April 2003 except some measures that treated TCs nothing but a mere minority? Still, TCs can only get only 2 month long car insurances. TCs are still made to walk through the fenced "Turkish Cypriot" area at the Ledra Palace. Are these all part of the unification process? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:16 am |
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I can go to any EU country with my ID and my car there would not even need an extra insurance.
All those "steps" as you call them started when it was clear that Cyprus would enter in the EU. "TRNC" now pretends that is another separate EU country, and for this direction were all those steps and not for unity.
Therefore a next "step" could be to abolish the requirement of car insurance, but not the requirement for an ID.
Maybe you see unity in terms of two separate states belonging to the EU and be as united between them as with any other EU state, but this is not the way we see unity. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:46 am |
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Therefore a next "step" could be to abolish the requirement of car insurance, but not the requirement for an ID.
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Ok, but why do you always expect everything from us? You know your side requires insurance as well, and the longest insurance a TC can get is for 2 months. At least the TC side gives annual insurances. Another simpler issue is the posters at the Ledra Palace border. The TC side removed all the massacre pictures long time ago hoping that the GCs would do the same thing. But we still see the huge "barbaric" posters of Turks at Ledra Palace. You think those pictures help for reunification?
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Maybe you see unity in terms of two separate states belonging to the EU and be as united between them as with any other EU state, but this is not the way we see unity.
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No that's not how I see unity. I see unity as one independent Cyprus with two federal parts (whatever you call them). The way you see unity is one Cyprus with no parts and total dominance of Greek Cypriots and TCs with minority status. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:27 am |
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| Ok, but why do you always expect everything from us? |
Because what your side is doing with the "TRNC" and all that is illegal. Those "steps" only make something illegal, a bit "less illegal" (thats not very accurate but anyways).
The "borders" as you call them, shouldn't be there in the first place, and our side would be glad not to have them since 1974. But we didn't had the power to make this step and abolish these "borders".
About the insurance I don't know the details. But I guess the problem is that those cars are brought to Cyprus illegaly, with no tax payed for them, no registration, and maybe the owner doesn't even have a legal driving lisence. If we started recognizing "TRNC" car registrations, drivers licence etc, would be a step for unity? I don't think so. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:34 pm |
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Because what your side is doing with the "TRNC" and all that is illegal. Those "steps" only make something illegal, a bit "less illegal" (thats not very accurate but anyways).
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This is the way to run away from your mistakes. TRNC can be illegal but it won't exist after peace agreement! You have to put a brick to peace while other side is putting.You can't say that other side did many illegal things and their bricks is the bill of illegal behaviour!
Steps of goodwill for peace never makes an illegal thing less illegal!
These steps are just for peace! You have to show goodwill! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:39 pm |
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| These steps are just for peace! You have to show goodwill! |
Sure, these steps are for peace. But the kind of peace you want. You want to keep a big part of Cyprus as your own with some kind of partition, and the "two Cypruses" have peace between each other.
If we wanted such kind of peace, we could recognize "TRNC" and everything would be peaceful, right?
As long as you occupy part of our land peace will not come. If you want to make steps, you should make steps in that direction: start giving back the land that does not belong to you, start allowing people to take back their properties, start declaring that "TRNC" does not exist.
The "steps" you make have as only aim to pretend that "TRNC" is yet another separate country within EU. These are not the steps that will bring unity, and therefore they will not bring peace either. |
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