ENOSIS, Again?
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 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:07 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
No, peace agreement will be signed after the occupation ends. How can we sign a peace agreement while there is still occupation??? |
What's the occupation for you?
Turkish soldiers in Cyprus and Turkey's dominance in Northern Cyprus.
Am i right?
So,after peace agreement will be signed than soldiers will leave Northern Cyprus and Turkey's dominance will end ! |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:26 pm |
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| Piratis |
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| Occupation is what prohibits, using military power, the Republic of Cyprus to have control over the whole of its own territory. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:34 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
| Occupation is what prohibits, using military power, the Republic of Cyprus to have control over the whole of its own territory. |
As you know with an agreement we won't return to 1960 Republic Of Cyprus but a new federal order will be formed.So how Republic Of Cyprus could have control over the whole of its own terriatory?If it controls this won't be an agreement but it'll be returning to Republic Of Cyprus as voluntary!
Don't forget that the style of solution will be federal ! RC is an unitary republic!Federal solution is accepted in 1977 by both sides!
Why do you think that all UN plans refers federal style solution? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:42 pm |
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| Piratis |
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| Turkey occupies Republic of Cyprus. Thats the only legal thing that we have today. If we agree for something else later on that would be another story. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:51 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
| Turkey occupies Republic of Cyprus. Thats the only legal thing that we have today. If we agree for something else later on that would be another story. |
Turkey's occupation is controversial.It haven't accepted by UN yet,is it?
There is still cease-fire situation.But we can realize that she is not tend to leave the island.35 thousand or 40 thousand soldiers,anyway,is too much for today!
At first she didn't claimed that she came to island for occupation but for a peaceful help to stop terrorism in Cyprus as a quarantor! On the other hand Greek Cypriots are saved from Junta of Greece.As you know they killed many Greek Cypriots also. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:42 am |
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| Bananiot |
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You are day-dreaming Piratis. You also contradict yourself, repeatedly. Perhaps you need a new perspective. Try "real politik".
You want to liberate Cyprus through negotiations with the occupying forces and then sign a peace treaty, once occupation ceases to exist. In other words, work out a solution that suits you, wait for Turkey to lift all its army, get the RoC to take control of the whole area of the island and then sign the treaty.
These things do not happen, even in fairy tales. However, if you can point a way as to how this miracle can be performed, I will support you.
On a more serious level now, I think that this kind of attitude has led to the perpetuation of the Cyprus problem and a step closer to the eventual partition of Cyprus with the blessing of all international institutions. Of course, Denktash and the deep state of Turkey have played their hand to this effect. Our government has not helped with their antiques towards getting away from this horrible spiral. Papadopoulos has promised a so called European solution but he also failed to explain what this really means and how it can be achieved in view of the fact that the EU has adopted the A plan. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:22 pm |
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| You want to liberate Cyprus through negotiations with the occupying forces and then sign a peace treaty, once occupation ceases to exist. In other words, work out a solution that suits you, wait for Turkey to lift all its army, get the RoC to take control of the whole area of the island and then sign the treaty. |
Peace treaty will be the result of the end of the occupation.
Question: Do you want us to sing a peace treaty with Turkey while they still occupy part of Cyprus?
2)The solution should be acceptable by the majority.
Question: Should we accept a solution that less than 1/4th of GC approves?
Also, the future solution doesn't necessarily mean that it will be one with RoC. Thats not a requirement. What is requirement is that the future structure is approved by the majority. Until then, the only legal state we have in Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus.
What we should try to achieve is an acceptable solution, otherwise no solution is better than a bad solution.
Do I see an acceptable solution coming any time soon?
No.
Do I know how we can achieve an acceptable solution soon?
No.
Does this mean we have to accept a bad solution?
No. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:34 pm |
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| Peace treaty will lead to Turkish soldiers returning to Turkey (end of occupation). |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:44 pm |
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| mehmet wrote: |
| Peace treaty will lead to Turkish soldiers returning to Turkey (end of occupation). |
So if Papadopoulos goes to Turkey tomorrow and says that he is ready to sign a peace treaty, the next day the occupation will end??
Actually it will end. Because if we sign a peace treaty, it means there is no cease fire line anymore. And if there is no cease fire line, then what is it? Its a border. And if its a border it means we recognize that this border is the end of our state, and what is beyond this line does not belong to us.
Maybe this is how you see how the "end of occupation" should be, but this is not the way we see it. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:51 pm |
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If Papadopoulos goes to Turkey tomorrow and says he is ready to sign peace treaty my guess is that for him to be willing to do that (a big if) he would make sure the return of the soldiers was agreed at a level he is prepared to accept and to reccommend to the public in RoC.
But we all know Papadopoulos wont put himself in such a position, not while there are still some international organisations and governments he hasn't yet blamed for division of Cyprus. He is not one who wants the responsibility for making something happen. |
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