ENOSIS, Again?
| Is ENOSIS a right of Greek Cypriots? |
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 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:11 pm |
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| PEACE |
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| Piratis wrote: |
Do I see an acceptable solution coming any time soon?
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Do I know how we can achieve an acceptable solution soon?
No.
Does this mean we have to accept a bad solution?
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It seems you are glad from status quo Mr. Piratis !
Continuation of status quo is a solution for you,may be... 
You are using Republic Of Cyprus as the only owners of it and RC is a EU member.Your economic position is good for you and you haven't got any future anxiety.According to you its better to wait for TCs to become weaker and weaker till they accept minority rights under GC dominance!
All your messeges includes this.These are hidden but i can see them! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:35 am |
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| X-ite |
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| No I think Piratis has already epressed his views clearly. He is not happy with the status quo but he thinks that the Annan plan was worse. He wants a solution that is better than the status quo but he is not optimistic about it. Is that right Piratis? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:26 am |
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Our main difference on this issue is that I (and many TC friends) think that the worse case senario is a no solution. If a solution is not found real soon then partition will inevitably set in and this will be the solution.
If anyone can suggest that this is better than the worst solution then I am sorry to say that this person has taken leave of his/her sanity. On a political level, politicians who endeavour for a "perfect" solution, in effect support the partition of Cyprus. This is the simple truth and hopefully the government or at least some components of the government will face up to this reality and try to turn the tide.
I have no illusions that Papadopoulos will ever see this. A study of the man since the 60's reveals his real nature as a Turk hater and a fervent supporter of the "clean" solution. Do not forget that he was the vice leader of the Akritas plan that proposed the wiping out of all TC,s in one night.
You can not teach an old dog new tricks. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:00 am |
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| If anyone can suggest that this is better than the worst solution then I am sorry to say that this person has taken leave of his/her sanity. |
Now we have a government - it works well. Compare it to this.
If the Annan plan was passed the highest authority in this country would be the High Court. The High Court would constitute of 3 GCs, 3 TC, and 3 non-Cypriots. This effectively makes us a minority in the High Court. We know a lot will depend on the balance of power and we know who the power in the region is.The Cypriot govnt requested that the 3 non-Cypriots come from the EU, the request was denied. The High Court would act as both the legislative and the judicial bodies. Which means whoever can control it can control everything... and you think that I
am crazy? At least now we can hope for something better. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:28 pm |
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| Yes the RoC works very well, never mind that it only functions in 60% of island and that it has never been allowed to function as it was intended and that provisions within it to protect status of Turkish Cypriots have never been implemented, yes for some people RoC is working very well. If the division of the island and the 30 year separation is not an issue, RoC is working very well. If streets named after Grivas and nationalist monuments to Ataturk and musuems encouraging hatred of each other is working very well then I obviously have a very different idea of what would be a good society. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:52 pm |
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| Let me be clearer. Even if a solution is found where the GC's are considered a minority and the TC's a majority, I would suggest that this is better than the consolidation of the present status quo. This is the nightmare senario and those that feel that we are doing ok and who cares about unification, really are advocates of permanent division of Cyprus, god forbits! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:25 pm |
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| If anyone can suggest that this is better than the worst solution then I am sorry to say that this person has taken leave of his/her sanity. |
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| Even if a solution is found where the GC's are considered a minority and the TC's a majority, I would suggest that this is better than the consolidation of the present status quo. |
Then I guess for you it would be better to give all Cyprus to Turkey. In that case we would be united and be a district of Turkey.
If somebody has taken a leave from his sanity this is you.
The aim is to reunite Cyprus, but not in just about any way. Otherwise we will do like the saying "The operation (unite Cyprus) was successful, but the patient (we) died".
It also seems that you left your mental abilities at the same place you forgot your sanity. It can not explained otherwise how you can not understand the difference between "acceptable" and "perfect".
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| Our main difference on this issue is that I (and many TC friends) think that the worse case senario is a no solution. |
Instead of dropping the discussion level, why you don't just stop to the above statement.
Our difference is clear:
-You believe that the Annan plan is acceptable and that there is no other alternative between Annan plan and partition. Between the only two alternatives that you believe exist, you prefer the Annan plan.
-I believe that the Annan plan is unacceptable. I believe that in the future the possibility exists that we will manage to achieve something better. Even if we don't, the current status and even a "standard" partition (with return of some land) is better than what the Annan plan proposes. We should never stop fighting for what is just and legal. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:10 pm |
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| X-ite wrote: |
Now we have a government - it works well. Compare it to this.
If the Annan plan was passed the highest authority in this country would be the High Court. The High Court would constitute of 3 GCs, 3 TC, and 3 non-Cypriots. This effectively makes us a minority in the High Court. We know a lot will depend on the balance of power and we know who the power in the region is.The Cypriot govnt requested that the 3 non-Cypriots come from the EU, the request was denied. The High Court would act as both the legislative and the judicial bodies. Which means whoever can control it can control everything... and you think that I
am crazy? At least now we can hope for something better. |
You have a goverment and it works well,huh?
I want to remind you that its not only your goverment and its not working well.It can't control %36 of Cyprus,it lost its bi-communal property,Turkish Cypriot's places are supposed does not exist and most important bi-communal RC is now a Hellenic republic.So these show "we" haven't got a goverment which is working well.
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| The High Court would constitute of 3 GCs, 3 TC, and 3 non-Cypriots. This effectively makes us a minority in the High Court. |
It seems you don't trust to non-cypriots in High Court and you are thinking with prejudice!
Ok,if these 3 non-cypriots come from EU,what will change?
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| I believe that the Annan plan is unacceptable. I believe that in the future the possibility exists that we will manage to achieve something better. |
All of the versions of Annan Plan are uncacceptable or last version?
What's the "better" for "us"?
Don't forget that future plan should be better for both sides!  |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:49 pm |
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Piratis has finally spat it out. Partition, he claims, is better than a solution based on the A plan, even with minor changes, meaning I suppose, those AKEL proposed in order to say "yes". Of course, being a true patriot, he will not say "no" to a "european solution" however, there is this small thing; this kind of a solution is not on the agenda.
I take it he is intelligent enough to understand this. Thus, all this patriot is struggling for, is for the situation to remain as it is. As it was meant by the turkish military and Denktash ...
I will not call him a traitor. That is his prerogative. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:55 pm |
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| Thus, all this patriot is struggling for, is for the situation to remain as it is. |
No, what we are struggling for is for what is fair and legal and will result to something democratic that will respect human rights. Maybe for you the above are not ideals that worth your struggle, serving the interests of Turkey and UK apparently is more important for you. |
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