PKK living in the past?
 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:14 am |
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| I do not define myself as muslim greek, muslim bulgarian or pomak, for that matter I am not even really muslim, I define myself as a TURK, and so did my relatives in Northern Greece. This has been so for centuries, and will not be changed by any attempts to ban anything turkish by the Greek authorities. People in Western Thrace have turkish concience, they speak the turkish language, and they will continue to do so despite the countless violations of their most sacred human right for self determination by the Greek authorities. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:12 am |
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According to the article bellow the support for PKK is diminished in Europe including Greece and Cyprus.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=18200
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| A December 2004 Cyprus report includes some striking figures. According to the December 2004 fiscal report for Cyprus, the PKK lost 1,260 euros in December. Militants collecting 3,437 euros as deposits, etc. had to draw on their capital due to expenses like electricity, water, and telephones. When expenditures amounted to 4,697 euros, the PKK’s Cyprus branch suffered a cash shortage. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:18 am |
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Sotos u must be wrong, as we all know greek(both in cyprus and greece) is a peace-loving nation.... So they couldnt have ties with pkk
According to history there were no conflict they had with their neighbours, no massecres they've done, no....., no...
They are the sons of peace god(if there is one exist) of their myth...
Btw you wont get any proper reply if u let them in tough situation with ur questions so Beware 
ahh here is another valid source (shame on it because of spreading that kinda lies lol) about terrorist loving greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:27 pm |
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Why our Turks friends do not propose Anan plan since they are some much in favor of it?) to solve Kurdish problem.
PKK Terrorism will be obsolete after that |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:19 am |
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| Why do the Kurds want a state now?? They didn't want one 10 or 20 years ago!!You see this is another provocation of the foreign forces to divide Turkish Republic. |
Just wanted to point out the stupidest comment made in this thread.
There has been more attemps by kurds for independence then by any other ethnic group in this world since WWI for a nation. Yea, they did actually want there own nation 20 years ago...try since Turkey was made
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The Treaty of Sèvres (1920), which liquidated the Ottoman Empire, provided for the creation of an autonomous Kurdish state. Because of Turkey's military revival under Kemal Atatürk, however, the Treaty of Lausanne (1923), which superseded Sèvres, failed to mention the creation of a Kurdish nation. Revolts by the Kurds of Turkey in 1925 and 1930 were forcibly quelled. Later (1937–38 ) aerial bombardment, poison gas, and artillery shelling of Kurdish strongholds by the government resulted in the slaughter of many thousands of Turkey's Kurds. The Kurds in Iran also rebelled during the 1920s, and at the end of World War II a Soviet-backed Kurdish “republic” existed briefly.
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http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0859147.html
By the way, nobody is trying to hide the fact that Greeks and Kurds like each other. Check out Greeks and Kurds hackers teaming up:
http://www.akmed.org.tr/dhackers.htm
Check out the whole list of turkish sites they hacked here:
http://www.ekurd.net/forum/display.asp?messageNo=1&threadID=7005
(but now they are all back on. The point is if only Greeks and Kurds worked together during WWI, today would be a whole different world  ) |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:14 pm |
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| european.. lol thats a smart comment...though there is a difference but still yes it is a smart comment |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:41 pm |
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| cmantas_liberal wrote: |
| european.. lol thats a smart comment...though there is a difference but still yes it is a smart comment |
Yes you are right.
1) Kurds have been living in this areas for thousands of years. Turks in cyprus very recently
2) South east of Turkey is homogeneous Kurdish land. In Cyprus international law has been violated in order to create a separate geographical area. Many UN resolutions contemn this action
3) The right of property ownership is violated in Cyprus. There is no such issue in Kurdish problem.
4) Violation of free movement is violated in Cyprus . No such issue in Kurdish problem.
5) Illegal settlers have been brought in Cyprus. There is no such issue in Kurdish problem.
6) Only issue of Kurdish problem is the right of self determination.
It seems that Kurdish problem is clear cut case. A much simplier Anan plan can be applied.
For the case of Cyprus things are more difficult and Turkey has to be forced to apply international law and human rights.
This will make the problem easier to be resolved.
But why PKK is terrorist organisation and and TNT is not? what is the difference? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:54 pm |
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yeah ok.. TNT like EOKA B were terorrist organisations. if u use the militant defintion they were scums. But u cant call PKK with few thousand (or even million) members and supporters as a terrorist organisation but rather a militant movement. A terrorist organisation has 5-10 members and thats all. Here we talk for a movement like the greek democratic army in the civil war, Brigrade ROsse and Al Qaeda..Those teams are too huge to be reffered as 'terrorists'.
PKK/ KADEK has formed a political base in Belgium that is active..so will u consider Belgium as a rougue nation? Maybe u shall add Holland, france and germany... The enemies of turkey are everywhere..every large nation is evil.... i think that kemalism is a schizophrenic psychosis rather than a political perception. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:54 pm |
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re omantas libertas u have to decide on what terrorism is
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Here we talk for a movement like the greek democratic army in the civil war, Brigrade ROsse and Al Qaeda..Those teams are too huge to be reffered as 'terrorists'.
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in another post u wrote
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No offend, but what we shall do? expect till muslims conquere the world with their sick jehadi-nazi ideology?.... If you have not understood it yet, we are in war against those lunatics....Therefore every muslim who does not take action against terrorism is a terrorist!
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is al queda terrorist or not?
was the greek democratic army (which is as you say is like al queda) a bunch of lunatics? |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:14 pm |
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i telling again
I F*** PKK and their PAST |
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