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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:51 pm

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RichardB wrote:Yup

270 acres , 70 acres for 2 hotels and 200 acres for apartments and bungalows according to the report. You were right Jerry, Halil is lying again.


Best to blame it on the language barrier, he merely "mispoke" (is it one, two or even three s's)

Regarding the Zionists I recorded but have not completely viewed Louis Theroux in Palestine last week, fascinating. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12347050

There's also an excellent new series started on BBC sunday night called "The Promise". Includes British forces in the 1940s and I guess how the Jews, in effect, chased them out. I suppose it looks a bit like Cyprus did in the 1950s, I wonder where it was filmed.


The British were not "chased out". When they realised how hopeless the situation between the Jews and the Arabs was they asked the UN for assistance in controlling the situation. Remember, this was a mandate of the League of Nations for Britain to run ex-Ottoman Palestine "until it could run itself". The US reckoned they would need another 300,000 troops on top of the already 100,000 and decided they wanted nothing to do with it. That's when Britain set a date for withdrawl. Not content with just letting the British withdraw, the Jews fired on them as they boarded their ships.
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Postby DTA » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:49 am

Can i ask why is there this anti jewish feeling amongst some GCs?

I Can kind of understand a anti Israeli feeling for what they (their government - not all israelis) are doing in the world now but why the anti jewish sentiment
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Postby kurupetos » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:56 am

DTA wrote:Can i ask why is there this anti jewish feeling amongst some GCs?

I Can kind of understand a anti Israeli feeling for what they (their government - not all israelis) are doing in the world now but why the anti jewish sentiment


the Cyprian Jews participated in the great uprising against the Romans under Trajan (117), and they are reported to have massacred 240,000 Greeks (Dio Cassius, lxviii. 32).

Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... z1Isg4xEW8
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Postby DTA » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:16 am

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DTA wrote:Can i ask why is there this anti jewish feeling amongst some GCs?

I Can kind of understand a anti Israeli feeling for what they (their government - not all israelis) are doing in the world now but why the anti jewish sentiment


the Cyprian Jews participated in the great uprising against the Romans under Trajan (117), and they are reported to have massacred 240,000 Greeks (Dio Cassius, lxviii. 32).

Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... z1Isg4xEW8


oh ok, thats going back a bit though
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Postby SKI-preo » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:52 am

You want to go back further still aparently Cypriots share origins with the Jews arch enemy the Philistines:


Cyprus is named as the homeland of the Philistines especially in recent literature. J. Strange points out that both Cyprus and the Philistines were familiar with metallurgy at a high level and that pottery from Cyprus strongly resembles pottery from Philistea (Mycenaean III C:1b). It is furthermore known from literary references that Cyprus, like Crete, was inhabited in the 13th and 12th centuries B.C. by a variety of

peoples.9 However, the many different names given to the island in the various cultures of that time make it very difficult to identify Cyprus as Caphtor.10

V. Karageorghis adds to the arguments in favour of Cyprus the evidence from excavations on the island (near Pyla and Maa): a mixed population (from Crete, Greece and Anatolia) appears to have lived here in fortified villages during 25 years. The inhabitants were wealthy, but clearly preferred a defendable place over a location that favoured trade and agriculture. After these 25 years both places were abandoned or burnt down. Maa was rebuilt by the conquerors who also manufactured type Myc. III C:1b pottery.11 Karageorghis moreover refers to Cypriotic myths about Greek heroes who founded cities on the island.12 Finally, Raban and Stieglitz showed that the architecture on the island was comparable with that of Philistea as far as the use of ashlars (large building blocks) was concerned.

Another argument in favour of Cyprus is a definite resemblance between Philistine and Cypriotic - Minoic writings from that period.13

The presence, though perhaps temporary, of Philistines in Cyprus or Crete is given wider perspective if the contemporary events in this part of the Mediterranean are also taken into consideration. Literary references and excavations from the Late Bronze period only demonstrate the great importance of such a widened perspective.

The Sea Peoples

It will be clear from the foregoing that a number of non-native peoples lived in Cyprus around 1200 B.C. and that the inhabitants of the eastern Mediterranean apparently were exposed to danger. The reasons for this unstable situation, which lasted from c. 1300 to c. 1170 B.C., are still uncertain. Egyptian relief texts speak about 'Sea Peoples' invading the coasts of Canaan and Egypt from the North and destroying whole kingdoms. Possible reasons for the mass migrations of those days could be, e.g., famine in Greece and Anatolia, invasions of tribes from the Balkans, and earthquakes.14

Anyway, the collapse of the Hittite empire (shortly after 1200 B.C.), the fall of Troy (1185 B.C.), and the invasions into Egypt (c. 1207 and 1175 B.C.) were all part of a major catastrophe that pushed peoples from the North to the South and caused large devastations among Late Bronze (c. 1550-1200 B.C.) cultures. When the mass migrations came to a halt, Greece was left impoverished, while prosperous and highly developed cultures seemed to have moved to the South.15 The Philistines arrived in the south-west of Canaan in the 12th century B.C., and this marked the end of Egypt's domination over the region. Here too Myc. III C: 1b pottery is found after their arrival.

Egyptian reliefs in Medinet Habu tell us that the Peleset (Philistines) were involved in the second raid on Egypt, during the eighth year of Ramesses III (c. 1175 B.C.). It was apparently after these raids that the Philistines settled down in the south-west of Canaan.

Odysseus And Goliath

Homer's epic poems are now increasingly being taken to be serious historiography. As a result of this, more connections are found between the Greek heroes who after the fall of Troy wandered round the eastern Mediterranean, and the Philistines. The Greek heroes wandered about and ended up in Crete, Cyprus, Libya, and Egypt. The fight between these wandering troupes and the Egyptians is described in Odyssee XVII, 420-460, and XIV, 250-290, where the pirates - who came in from Crete - destroyed Egyptian farmland, killed men and carried off women and children. Foot-soldiers and war-chariots soon intervened how-ever, and took vengeance.

Stager points to similarities between Greek heroes like Achilles and Odysseus on the one hand and leading characters from the late Judges period, viz. Goliath, Jephtah and Samson, on the other. The same could perhaps be said of Shamgar, who put an end to an early invasion of Sea Peoples/Philistines by means of an ox goad (Jdg. 3:31). Prominent features are an enormous strength (Goliath, Samson), loneliness (Samson) and the typically Greek suit of armour (Goliath).16 The 'disastrous' decisions of Jephtah could perhaps be added here. Regardless of the way this relationship is interpreted, it can at least be concluded that the stories from the Greek heroic age and the Biblical history describing the period directly thereafter, viz. 1150-1000 B.C., show remarkable similarities.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:26 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
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supporttheunderdog wrote:It just so happens I do have some Irish Ancestry about 4 generations back


You're a Jew. Get over it!


What makes you think I am Jewish - are you one of those "willy watchers"? I was circumcised at aged 2 for medical reasons: I can even remember being in Great Ormond Street Hospital for the operation.

FYI there is no traditition of Jewish Ancestry in my family and, even if there is some Jewish ancestry, what is there to get over?

I don't care if I do have some Jewish Ancestry - I do not look upon being called Jewish an insult.


Maybe you're a Jewish Nazi like in the film below?

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Postby kurupetos » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:16 pm

Yialousa, the film was produced by Jay Firestone & Daniel Diamond. Two Canadian Jews. What does that mean? :wink:
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:17 pm

kurupetos wrote:Yialousa, the film was produced by Jay Firestone & Daniel Diamond. Two Canadian Jews. What does that mean? :wink:


It based on true story, ever heard of Frank Collins (real name was Cohen). He was the former head of the National Socialist Party of America. :wink: There are a few more too like that.
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:30 am

DTA wrote:Can i ask why is there this anti jewish feeling amongst some GCs?

I Can kind of understand a anti Israeli feeling for what they (their government - not all israelis) are doing in the world now but why the anti jewish sentiment


DTA, I can share concern about the actions of the Isrealie Government, and in my view they lost most of the moral high-ground with (a) their own version of the settlers issue (b) the massacres in refugee camps a few years back,

What however you have here is out and out racism where those who challange the Hellenic Master-race theories of some are labled Jews or Jew lovers in a perjorative manner: witness the piss-poor attempts of that loser Youloser to do this to me: water off a Duck's back.
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:03 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
DTA wrote:Can i ask why is there this anti jewish feeling amongst some GCs?

I Can kind of understand a anti Israeli feeling for what they (their government - not all israelis) are doing in the world now but why the anti jewish sentiment


DTA, I can share concern about the actions of the Isrealie Government, and in my view they lost most of the moral high-ground with (a) their own version of the settlers issue (b) the massacres in refugee camps a few years back,

What however you have here is out and out racism where those who challange the Hellenic Master-race theories of some are labled Jews or Jew lovers in a perjorative manner: witness the piss-poor attempts of that loser Youloser to do this to me: water off a Duck's back.


I hate racism of all kinds, was just wondering why the jews were singled out for so much vitriol by certain Gcs on here.

for me going back hundreds of years and citing actions of a select number of the community is not a good excuse. But hey what do I know according to those same people i am just a barbarian, Ottoman reminant.
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