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Postby insan » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:22 am

The Athens Court of Appeal, in its decision of March 21, 1979, also held that the "intervention of Turkey in Cyprus was legal: ".... The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor powers, had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention.")

Decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79

Archbishop Makarios's: speech delivered before the UN Security Council on 19/7/74


http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20030514091421487
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:05 am

The Athens Court of Appeal, in its decision of March 21, 1979, also held that the "intervention of Turkey in Cyprus was legal: "


Where is the whole decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79 ? The whole decision was one line?
Also, one thing is "intervention" and a whole another thing occupation for 30 years. Do you have anything that claims that the occupation is legal also?

In any case, this is the reason why we will NEVER again accept anything that will give to any other country intervention rights on our country. We made this mistake in the past and its not going to happen again.
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Postby insan » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:19 am

Two well documented articles about dark side of the Cyprus Problem...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alb-info- ... ssage/6517

www.people.hbs.edu/iioannou/makarios.pdf
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Postby insan » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:23 am

Where is the whole decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79 ? The whole decision was one line?
Also, one thing is "intervention" and a whole another thing occupation for 30 years. Do you have anything that claims that the occupation is legal also?



I also would like to read the whole decision... and the only interview made with N Sampson...


According to Turkish policy over Cyprus issue, occupation will be ended when a just, safe, viable, duarble, stable solution reached...
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Postby insan » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:33 am

www.univie.ac.at/bim/download/ THESIS_Angeliki_Giannakaki.pdf


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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:45 pm

insan wrote:According to Turkish policy over Cyprus issue, occupation will be ended when a just, safe, viable, duarble, stable solution reached...


Denktash had been nominated by Turkey for almost 30 years . The mission of Denktash was well known not only in Cyprus but all over the world. Furthermore the UN Annan plan version 1-4 have been rejected by Turkey! Why do you think Turkey has rejected these plans?
werent they Just , safe , viable durable or even stable?

Having Turkey Accepted UN Annan plan 1 then it would be a good reason to consider that Turkey indeed is working towards a Just , safe ..... solution to the cyprus problem. But this looks rather suspicious dont you agree? Or may be Denktash had managed to affect Turkey to some extent --And I dont see this impossible-given that Denktash mission and Grivas mission do not seem to be too different.
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Postby insan » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:19 pm

werent they Just , safe , viable durable or even stable?



There was a strong opposition against those versions.... And you may know one of those opposition parties was Turkeys Security Council...

Erdogan managed to get approx. %80 of what they decided to negotiate and get with the 5th version which was also accepted by Turkish National Security Council...


Why didn't Denktash satisfied? Because it has %20 absent and according to Denktash it would cause TCs to lost all what they supposedly gain with the 5th version in 10 or 15 years time due to expiry dates...

Denktash and his backers struggling for a confederation which I 'm sure none of the relevant parties consider it feasible and acceptable...


Actually I believe that Denktash has been in a dirty game which arranged by Turkish nationalists. The game is keeping Turkey out of EU and politically annexing all Turkish states as one aka Turan cause....


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Postby MicAtCyp » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:33 pm

Metecyp wrote: That's the problem and if we really want to find a solution, we have to start celebrating together and more importantly we have to start crying together for the losses.


I totally agree with you.


Mehmet wrote: The fall of Greek government wasn't part of their plan. The Government fell when Ionnides order the army to invade Turkey and they refuse


I wonder if any GC or Greek in this forum has heard of this before.I was always wondering how the Greek Junta fell. Until today I thought it fell because they actually agreed with the Americans to let Turkey Invade for declaring double Enosis- and in the end they were cheated.So they could not avoid the consequences of high treason and collapsed.

Thanks Mehmet for the info. It seems to be the real truth. I will appreciate it if you give us your source if possible.
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Postby mehmet » Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:43 pm

I'm not sure exactly where I first read this, it might have been '30 hot days' by Mehmet Ali Birand. The way I read it was that after Turkey invade Cyprus the leader of military junta order the Chief of the Army to attack Turkey at Thrace. When the chief of the army refuse the leader of the military junta decide to invite civilian to take over leadership of Greece. Can anyone else on this forum remember the names? I'm sorry I can't be more clear without searching for books that I haven't unpacked since I moved house 4 years ago.

I still hold to the belief that the overthrow of Makarios was a miscalculation. The Greeks expected the USA to prevent Turkey intervening like they did in 1967. When Makarios survive it led to civil war in Cyprus between those loyal to Makarios and those against. At hte point of July 15 the Greek state was a more reliable ally to USA than Turkey. Ecevit was a social democrat which to Nixon and Kissinger is as good as being a communist. Once USA realised Makarios survuve I believe that's when they switch to thinking that maybe partition was better than Makarios leading Cyprus towards Soviet bloc.
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