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Postby bg_turk » Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:28 pm

Anyway, if you have any evidence about such a pogrom (in THESSALONIKI on its turkish/slavic inhabiants) give it to us!


There are many eye witness reports, but you can read the Carnegie report created by an independent commission investigating the war crimes comitted during the balkan wars. Search Amazon for a book named The Ohter Balkan Wars.


When Selanik fell, during the First Balkan War, all of its muslim inhabitants have been cleansed, mosques burned and destroyed and the muslim quaters of the city sacked. Look at a picture of the city in 1900 (under ottoman control) and in 1930 (under greek control) and you will see one crucial difference - the disappearance of all minaretes. Selanik, or Thesaloniki according to greeks and Solun according to Slavs, has been ethnically cleansed of its muslim inhabitants. Only those that managed to catch the last life saving train to Istanbul survived the barbaric greek invasion.

I bet you dont learn these things in history classes.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:55 am

dear Bulgarian..

firstly what are you doing in a Cypriot forum, does cyprus have bulgarians?

Concering the human rights, there are many ppl in the islands that are giving money and hospitality on immigrants but still, lets have a look in the UK. UK set asylum camps in Dover and in Kalais and the conditions are worst than in the Greek camps. In addition ppl in Dover do not open their houses and plus immigrants have to meet BNP members....You'd better not to talk about human rights since Turkey is ages behind.

What about the camps that Spain did in Morocco? The Italian camps in Croatia and etc. In the end..how many of those immigrants are not Mujahedins and Muslims carrying their sick jihad message?
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:04 am

dear Bulgarian...wannabe european

what about the natives in selanik? for 400 years they suffered from arab-turkish occupancy? I wonder how those muslims arrived in the Balkans since the Balkans do not belong to the Arab world. I just wonder....unless the balkans are found in Asia. I would bother to wake up everymorning from the calls of the Immam praising his Jehad messages through the minare and watching sexy girls on burgas, probably dreaming of how to blow up some 'evil' christian crusaders.

Dear Bulgarian and not Turk, Europe has some borders and cultural boundaries, if u dont like them go back from where u came from. This is our playground and u will play with out rules.

In the end, Spaniards and many others did the same when they get their independence from the Arab barbarians. At the same time Muslims are killing christians in Sudan, Aceh, Philipines but i didnt see the pope calling for a 'christian Jehad' while if u kill a Muslim all muslims will call you indifel and will bomb yer arse.

When i went in Dubaii i had not to drink beers and our women had to wear tradititional clothes, so we went by yer rules.Now that you are in Europe u shall go by OUR rules.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:02 pm

Dear Greek,

first of all I am a TURK from Bulgaria. I can define myself as I wish, who are you to tell me what I am?

Second of all, I was born on the European continent, which makes me a European, and you are not the one who will tell me what the RULES on my own land are! I am not a wannabe european, I am a european, just as if i were born in asia, i would be asian.

Third of all, I am not really muslim, I am an atheist.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:14 pm

uh. sorry about that but you aint a european. I ve seen the turkish communities in Germany and only few of them have adopted the European-German culture. Yer land is somewhere in deep Asia, you are just the offspring of settlers and of Muslim imperialism.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:33 pm

talking about human rights..check this shite out

Young girls legally married in greece"
Posted by trans4 28 January at 11:24

Translation of article posted in French:

Muslim girls living in Thrace, north-east Greece, can expect to be legally married by the age of 13, without the state uttering a word against it. This is a violation of EU rules for the protection of childhood.

One case in particular, of a girl who was married off at the age of 11 to a man of 22, has come to the attention of the world's media. Komotini, a Thracian suburb, is home to around 100 000 Muslims.

According to Muslim MP Ilham Ahmet, of the Greek conservative majority, a court in Dusseldorf annulled the marriage and took the child into care, after the couple tried to emigrate to Germany in December. Legal proceedings have been started against the husband.

Unfortunately, the marriage is legally binding in Greece, as the country recognises the rulings on family affairs of the three muftis in Thrace, who follow sharia, or Islamic law.

The mufti of Komotini, the most moderate of the three, doesn't generally marry couples younger than 15, but made an exception in this case after the two families pleaded with him to save the honour of the bride, who had been raped.

According to community sources, the two other State-recognised muftis are much less moderate and frequently marry girls as young as 12 to boys of 14 in accordance with sharia, even though in Greece, it is illegal to marry before the age of 18 unless exceptional circumstances or pregnancy is involved.

The overwhelming majority of marriages in Greece are religious, with registry office-style ceremonies only being introduced in 1981.

No marriage statistics are available for the Muslim minority living in Thrace, but the number of divorces is thought to be five times higher than the average for the rest of the country. According to Iannis Ktistakis, Professor of Law at the University of Thrace, this can be linked directly to the proportion of people who marry young.

The divorces are also carried out under sharia, which favours the husband, especially where children are concerned. Even though, in theory, women can take their cases to the Greek courts, they rarely do, for fear of reprisals from the muftis and the Muslim community.

The position of women in this community is anathema to women's groups and feminist organisations the world over, yet the authorities prefer to turn the other cheek, to keep the peace with the volatile minority, who are mainly of Turkish origin. According to ex-MEP and militant feminist Anna Karamanou, this is disgraceful.

The Greek media itself wasted almost no column inches on the case of the 11 year old.

In the absence of any State intervention, the marginalised Roma community also marries girls younger than 18, according to a study carried out by the University of Ioannina, in 1999.

One of the authors of the report, Maria Vassiliadou, asserts that for Christian Roma, these marriages will always be performed outside of Church, until the day the Pope gives his blessing.

A step forward was for the minorities, came in 2004 when the National Commission for Human Rights recommended outlawing marriage by proxy, even more open to abuse.

As the community is recognised in both national and european law as being a minority in accordance with the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, the Commission is also fighting for strict limitations to be put on the muftis' authority, both religious and social.

At least then Thracian Muslims will be able to choose between State and Muslim law, a solution also supported by Mr Ahmet.

source: http://forum.sofeminine.co.uk/forum/car ... e.html#188

just to mention who is embarassing greece....

TIME TO BAN THE SHARIA LAW in GREECE..This is a good move towards human rights
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Postby ManoWAR » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:49 pm

bg_turk wrote:

When Selanik fell, during the First Balkan War, all of its muslim inhabitants have been cleansed,....


First of all you must learn that the right name of the city is THESSALONIKI.
Thessaloniki is the capital of a region called MACEDONIA which was Greek from the ancient years (when you turks were living in Mongolia)!
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Postby akiner » Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:01 pm

First of all you must learn that the right name of the city is THESSALONIKI.
Thessaloniki is the capital of a region called MACEDONIA which was Greek from the ancient years (when you turks were living in Mongolia)


so why did turks leave there??(Mongolia)


When it comes to massacres on turks/muslims, no doubt, how to spell the name of a regular region becomes more important for most of u
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Postby bg_turk » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:46 am

ManoWAR wrote:
bg_turk wrote:

When Selanik fell, during the First Balkan War, all of its muslim inhabitants have been cleansed,....



First of all you must learn that the right name of the city is THESSALONIKI.

Like many other places on the Balkans, cities have different names, in Turkish it is Selanik, in Slavic Solun and in Greek Thessaloniki, there is no right/wrong name here. Selanik was a very metropolitan city before the Greek invasion, it was home to Greeks, Slavs, Turks, Vlacs, Jews and many more, and I bet all had different names for the city.

Thessaloniki is the capital of a region called MACEDONIA which was Greek from the ancient years (when you turks were living in Mongolia)!

The capital of the Republic of Macedonia is Skopje. Macedonia was almost never exclusively greek, of course that is before your state ethnically cleansed the whole Aegean part of the region of all non-greeks. Besides at ancient times not only turks but most Europeans including Hungarians, Fins, Germans and Slavs lived somewhere in Asia, the great migration from Asia to Europe had not started yet.
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Postby ManoWAR » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:17 am

akiner wrote:
First of all you must learn that the right name of the city is THESSALONIKI.
Thessaloniki is the capital of a region called MACEDONIA which was Greek from the ancient years (when you turks were living in Mongolia)


so why did turks leave there??



The right question is "who did turks found there?"
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