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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:32 am

More than anything, Cypriots need to tap into their common sense and start exploring and experimenting with this priceless tool.
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:35 am

Get Real! wrote:
No matter where they emigrate once they reach the 3rd or 4rth generation their Greekness is totally out the window forever lost into obscurity… and this applies whether they move to America, Nigeria or Cyprus! It doesn't matter!


Erm, same with Cypriots. What's your point? Apart from answering your own dilemma of where the Cypriots have gone if Cyprus is Greek .... :)

Anyway - back to your passport criterion. Are you claiming Cypriots were only invented in 1960?
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:43 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
No matter where they emigrate once they reach the 3rd or 4rth generation their Greekness is totally out the window forever lost into obscurity… and this applies whether they move to America, Nigeria or Cyprus! It doesn't matter!


Erm, same with Cypriots. What's your point? Apart from answering your own dilemma of where the Cypriots have gone if Cyprus is Greek .... :)

Well duh!

Whatever happened to your “Greeks arrived in Cyprus 2000 years ago” theory then? You’ve just admitted that foreigners evaporate yet give Greeks two millenniums of longevity in Cyprus!

You’re so full of shit! :lol: (<- but isn't that a Greek specialty?)

Anyway - back to your passport criterion. Are you claiming Cypriots were only invented in 1960?

Err no, you’re just hoping I’ll stick to passports which is an area you seem to feel you can have a win or something! :roll:
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:52 am

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
No matter where they emigrate once they reach the 3rd or 4rth generation their Greekness is totally out the window forever lost into obscurity… and this applies whether they move to America, Nigeria or Cyprus! It doesn't matter!


Erm, same with Cypriots. What's your point? Apart from answering your own dilemma of where the Cypriots have gone if Cyprus is Greek .... :)

Well duh!

Whatever happened to your “Greeks arrived in Cyprus 2000 years ago” theory then? You’ve just admitted that foreigners evaporate yet give Greeks two millenniums of longevity in Cyprus!


So they came here as Greeks and continued to practice their lifestyles as Greeks ( continuous lineage - scions) - which rather makes your visits to other countries as an erosion of our Greekness rather pointless.

Anyway - back to your passport criterion. Are you claiming Cypriots were only invented in 1960?

Err no, you’re just hoping I’ll stick to passports which is an area you seem to feel you can have a win or something! :roll:


You haven't "stuck" to it. You never answered. You threw out a remark and left it hanging there. As soon as the first argument proved it worthless, you moved on to another poleaxe comment.
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:00 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:So they came here as Greeks and continued to practice their lifestyles as Greeks ( continuous lineage - scions) - which rather makes your visits to other countries as an erosion of our Greekness rather pointless.


Oracle, we have met in person and the last time this occured you had your son with you right?

Well, funny how you couldn’t even manage your son to look, sound, or feel Greek after just ONE generation!

And please don’t come back and tell me that he sometimes wears pom poms to make up for it!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

See you tomorrow folks...
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:05 am

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:So they came here as Greeks and continued to practice their lifestyles as Greeks ( continuous lineage - scions) - which rather makes your visits to other countries as an erosion of our Greekness rather pointless.


Oracle, we have met in person and the last time this occured you had your son with you right?

Well, funny how you couldn’t even manage your son to look, sound, or feel Greek after just ONE generation!

And please don’t come back and tell me that he sometimes wears pom poms to make up for it!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

See you tomorrow folks...


Well, there's a contradiction. You look Greek but you deny you are. :D

You've just disproved your own theory. Thanks.

Goodnight. :)
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:15 am

I challenge anyone to find any historical record prior to the 74 Turk invasion of Cyprus that shows Greek Cyps. denying their Hellenic lineage like the few New cypriots do today, which mostly stems from the imperialistBritish assertions that Greek Cypriots are not Greek. "Bitter Lemons", which was written by a Brit,after the Eoka movement in the mid 50's asserts in the beginning of the book that Gc arent Greek, concludes in the end that Greek Cypriots are just as Greek as their brothers on the mainland. An obvious attempt by the imperialist to derail the Eoka movement. Those that do follow this spurious neo cypriot movement come mostly from their own insecurities and habit of bowing gracefully towards their master.
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Mapko » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:56 am

To all the non-Greek Greek Cypriots: denounce everything Greek - stop using the language; stop using the Greek alphabet; don't buy anything Greek; don't eat or drink anything Greek; don't celebrate Easter or 28th October; stop celebrating all Greek customs and traditions.
Instead, create your own language and alphabet; your own foods; your won customs and traditions. Then, try and sell all this to the Cypriot people - I think we both know, other than a hardcore of about six people (oddly enough, you may find these six people frequenting this site), nobody will take to it.
You could also try and console yourself in the fact these are all Cypriot things and the Greeks are copying you.
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:19 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:I challenge anyone to find any historical record prior to the 74 Turk invasion of Cyprus that shows Greek Cyps. denying their Hellenic lineage like the few New cypriots do today,

Ok, and are you now presenting “popularity” as an argument for its validity or just pointing out how great a brainwashing job Greeks did to Cypriots thanks to their control of the island’s education system?

which mostly stems from the imperialistBritish assertions that Greek Cypriots are not Greek. "Bitter Lemons", which was written by a Brit,after the Eoka movement in the mid 50's asserts in the beginning of the book that Gc arent Greek, concludes in the end that Greek Cypriots are just as Greek as their brothers on the mainland. An obvious attempt by the imperialist to derail the Eoka movement. Those that do follow this spurious neo cypriot movement come mostly from their own insecurities and habit of bowing gracefully towards their master.

Unfortunately I don’t fit the stereotype you talk about as I’ve never read "Bitter Lemons" and I don’t have any special fancy for Britain to render me biased as many here who know me can attest.

However, if one or more Brits from the past have put arguments forward that Cypriots are not Greek it does not necessarily mean that they are wrong just because they were the enemy once.

In other words, we must not allow our emotions to limit our sources of ideas and information to our sole imaginary “trusted” one as this has proven to be our serious folly in the past and we honestly can’t afford to make any more mistakes.

Over the years I have presented this forum with countless new and unique arguments to challenge what I consider to be Greek myths so nobody can claim that I have borrowed someone else’s arguments and ideas. Not that it would’ve been wrong to do so if they were valid but I tend to use my own plain and good old fashioned common sense for something that seems elementary to me.

The truth of the matter is that historians agree that the Greek colonization of Cyprus theory is nothing but a factoid that someone presented as an idea in the early 1800s to fill in the missing details, and unfortunately it stuck to our terrible detriment and I need not remind of the curse that ultimately came to find us as a result of this fallacy we embraced.

And I think we should be very worried that our very existence dangles by an invisible thread of a miserable 19th century factoid!
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Re: August 14, 1974 ΔEN ΞEXNΩ!!!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:39 am

Mapko wrote:To all the non-Greek Greek Cypriots: denounce everything Greek - stop using the language;stop using the Greek alphabet;

Firstly who says that what is labeled as the "Greek" language was made in Greece by Greeks?

And who says that Cypriot is not a unique language given that there are about 5,000 unique words used in Cypriot that are completely unknown to Greeks and given that the Cypriot Alphabet predates anything Greek by about 1500 years?

And finally who says that those who use the Greek alphabet now or in the past are/were all Greeks? Where do you get such childish ideas from? Are all those from around the world who use English from Britain?

don't buy anything Greek; don't eat or drink anything Greek;

What exactly is it you eat which is Greek when in Cyprus? :lol:

don't celebrate Easter or 28th October;

That's a huge political mistake... a remnant of the pre-74 Greek tyranny!

stop celebrating all Greek customs and traditions.

What Greek customs and traditions do you celebrate in Cyprus? I don't know of any! :lol:

Instead, create your own language and alphabet; your own foods; your won customs and traditions.

You are talking bollocks because you assume that everything is to the credit of Greeks! Typical sheep-like attitude implanted at the Greek sponsored gymnasiums! :lol:

Then, try and sell all this to the Cypriot people - I think we both know, other than a hardcore of about six people (oddly enough, you may find these six people frequenting this site), nobody will take to it.

My good man, if uneducated fools of the 50s and 60s managed to convince you and your family that your ancestors from 3,000 years ago came here in a boat from Sparta with an olive branch on their head and that you have nothing to do with the indigenous population of Cyprus then I’ll wager that I can sell you a turd for a doughnut! :lol:

You could also try and console yourself in the fact these are all Cypriot things and the Greeks are copying you.

You may be onto something...
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