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Re: A humble proposal

Postby kurupetos » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:07 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As Cypriots they should be able to live in what ever part of the island they like - as should ALL Cypriots,,,,
TAF, settlers and carpetbaggers go home....


...exactly.

...kurupetos does like to be sarcastic, or should i say, caustic, and one hopes for the most part purely in jest.

Federation is only acceptable if it's not discriminatory based on ethnic background


...on this we can all agree, a State, a Cypriot State, although it seems that what is sought by kurupetos is a Greek state where if you are not Greek, you are a minority. in that "Greeks" (and "Turks") have lost the credibility of being identified as Human first in their approach, a Cypriot State which is a Greek state no longer is possible, and thus, only a Greek Constituency can express the views of Greeks, as Persons, while as Individuals we are not Greeks or Turks (or Maronites, Latins, or Armenians, for that matter), we are, as Cypriots, a People without discrimination or distinction.

@kurupetos, you called me a racist in another topic, again, i ask you, why; and more to the point what makes you not a racist?

If you can only be a Cypriot under the eyes of the law, majorities and minorities won't exist. :wink:

If you insist on a 'solution' based on your manifesto, I am afraid you are indeed a racist no different than Lordo. :cry:
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby Get Real! » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:@kurupetos, you called me a racist in another topic, again, i ask you, why; and more to the point what makes you not a racist?

Kurupet, is not racist because he doesn’t even consider non Hellenes as human let alone be unkind towards a sub-species!
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:51 am

Get Real! wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:@kurupetos, you called me a racist in another topic, again, i ask you, why; and more to the point what makes you not a racist?

Kurupet, is not racist because he doesn’t even consider non Hellenes as human let alone be unkind towards a sub-species!


...would you call him a wannabe, since he "needs" to be Greek, and Cypriot comes second?
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:06 am

DrCyprus wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who brought in pride genetics or philosophy into the debate


GreekIslandGirl did.

Pride
Cyprus' history has been catalogued for so much longer it's an insult to use the UK/GB as a role model.


Genetics
The majority Cypriots, natives, are Greek. Maybe from the Mycenaean wave or the Alexandrian wave or any of the many interactions in-between but we are principally Greek. Speaking Greek for thousands of years. Have the English spoken English for more than some centuries?


Pride, genetics and philosophy
If you want to call the ancient Greeks that colonised Cyprus, Asia Minor, Greece, Italy up to France the term "settlers" - that's fine. The reality is they humanised mostly barren lands and set up civilisations for the first time. Bringing arts, culture, sciences, mathematics, engineering, democracy etc etc etc. More accurately they were very early, 'primitive' pioneers. As such, they "settled" the lands, making them more habitable, before anyone else. The Turks are trying to undo what the Greeks have done or take over ready-made civilisations, with nothing to offer. Can you not see the difference?

try and Ignore Greek island Girl - she is a Dinosaur remnant -
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby kurupetos » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:@kurupetos, you called me a racist in another topic, again, i ask you, why; and more to the point what makes you not a racist?

Kurupet, is not racist because he doesn’t even consider non Hellenes as human let alone be unkind towards a sub-species!

Bravo, you got it. Now FO. :wink:
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:50 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who brought in pride genetics or philosophy into the debate


GreekIslandGirl did.

Pride
Cyprus' history has been catalogued for so much longer it's an insult to use the UK/GB as a role model.


Genetics
The majority Cypriots, natives, are Greek. Maybe from the Mycenaean wave or the Alexandrian wave or any of the many interactions in-between but we are principally Greek. Speaking Greek for thousands of years. Have the English spoken English for more than some centuries?


Pride, genetics and philosophy
If you want to call the ancient Greeks that colonised Cyprus, Asia Minor, Greece, Italy up to France the term "settlers" - that's fine. The reality is they humanised mostly barren lands and set up civilisations for the first time. Bringing arts, culture, sciences, mathematics, engineering, democracy etc etc etc. More accurately they were very early, 'primitive' pioneers. As such, they "settled" the lands, making them more habitable, before anyone else. The Turks are trying to undo what the Greeks have done or take over ready-made civilisations, with nothing to offer. Can you not see the difference?

try and Ignore Greek island Girl - she is a Dinosaur remnant -


And stud wouldn't have any "recognisable remnant" of lifeform on earth, being an alien without a common ancestor to those extant, and who fails to understand our evolution and development.
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Are all cultures equally civilized?


Still waiting for an answer on the above question.
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:32 pm

Are you just bumping up your thread?
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:17 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who brought in pride genetics or philosophy into the debate


GreekIslandGirl did.

Pride
Cyprus' history has been catalogued for so much longer it's an insult to use the UK/GB as a role model.


Genetics
The majority Cypriots, natives, are Greek. Maybe from the Mycenaean wave or the Alexandrian wave or any of the many interactions in-between but we are principally Greek. Speaking Greek for thousands of years. Have the English spoken English for more than some centuries?


Pride, genetics and philosophy
If you want to call the ancient Greeks that colonised Cyprus, Asia Minor, Greece, Italy up to France the term "settlers" - that's fine. The reality is they humanised mostly barren lands and set up civilisations for the first time. Bringing arts, culture, sciences, mathematics, engineering, democracy etc etc etc. More accurately they were very early, 'primitive' pioneers. As such, they "settled" the lands, making them more habitable, before anyone else. The Turks are trying to undo what the Greeks have done or take over ready-made civilisations, with nothing to offer. Can you not see the difference?

try and Ignore Greek island Girl - she is a Dinosaur remnant -


YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION AND YOU KNOW IT.

As with dealing with any flawed analysis that can take more time than the necessary, but the flaw in your original premise was that the certain characteristics we and other species share with dinosaurs are "Dinosaur remnants" .as though they originated with dinosaurs and somehow magically transmitted themselves to other species though these other species are NOT for the most part descended from Dinosaurs, the exception being the birds. .

I have never challenged the premise we and other creatures both extent and extinct (and some of which predate Dinosaurs) have much in common with Dinosaurs; I even described them as distant cousins, an analogy you objected to, but one which made it plain we shared a common ancestor (about 340 MYA or so ) and as you now concede and as I stated it is because we have common ancestors that we do share so much, the closer in time the common ancestor the greater the similarities are likely to be,. We and Dinosaurs have for example probably acquired our hard jaws from a fish some 600 MYA or so I would say a hard Jaw is NOT a Dinosaur remnant,

These characteristics are in fact an inherent part of all species that carry them,

as for your analysis of Greek colonisation, thank your for justifying the developments of the European Empires which used just the same propagandised excuses as you have used for the Greeks - still if I suppose empire building and colonisatation was OK for the Greeks in the then it was OK in the 15th to early 20th century for the Spanish, Germans, French, Portuguese, Belgians, Italians, Dutch, Empiresm, they are after all a a paragon the you think we should follow. .

It even justifies the Nazi policy of Lebensraum since that is what Greek Colonisation was all about - exporting surplus population. There was however f*ck all by way of Altruism in what the Greeks did, and with the exception of a few deluded individuals in what eg the the British did in Africa, but then you to are deluded with your totally blinkered view of the greatness of Greece to the exclusion of other civilisations, and cultures that existed, some of which such as the Minoan pre 140000 BC or so is claimed as Greek when it was not.

There is however no point in arguing with you because you are so irrational when it comes to your own delusions.
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Re: A humble proposal

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:44 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION AND YOU KNOW IT.


I didn't "misrepresent" your position. I merely stated my own informed opinion of you.

(If anyone has a complaint about misrepresentation, it should be I about you - since you provide an example of why we should limit genetics data on the Internet.)


supporttheunderdog wrote:There is however no point in arguing with you because you are so irrational when it comes to your own delusions.


Good, then stop trolling me when I post to others.
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