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Postby zan » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:32 pm

Not one person I have asked knows what film this came from?

"Badges! We don't need no stinking badges"

If you want a TRNC flag bg_, I can always send you one. This is why I didn't take your advise in requesting that avatar.
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:48 pm

i think bg_turk doesnt need your help to find a trnc flag or any flag when it comes to that respect :)
he is quite able in finding all kinds of symbols or flags
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Postby andytandreou » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:05 pm

As a Greek Cypriot myself I'm ashamed (especially at the admin) for such a harsh attitude towards the TRNC and by extension the poeple who live there! Your actions are like a Turkish forum deleting the RoC flag from their site. And I bet you any amount of money, they probably wouldn't delete our flag like we have deleted the TRNC's!

I fully expect the admin to restore the TRNC flag as a matter of principle as soon as possible. We have nothing to be afraid of in terms of International laws and accepting the flag in this site is NOT the same as recognizing it! Freedom of speech is paramount in this world!! If you don't allow the flag of the TRNC you are supressing ideas and feelings and in my honest opinion, not even God can do that!
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Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:21 pm

Andy, the RoC flag should be flying in Kerinia, Morfou and Famagusta. Why did they remove it? I am ashamed for those Greek Cypriots that support the TRNC! :x
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:09 pm

hey andy.. dont shoot at the admin :)
they have already a very difficult job.
i dont have a clue why people are so pre-occupied with symbols. in principle you are right. even though the forum allows all kinds of views to be expressed and the last weeks are a clear sign of that.

i repeat on principle u r right. on principle one could even have kemal or kolokotronis, denktash or makarios as the freedom of expressing one views or democracy requires. on the other hand some of those symbols could be provoking one or the other sides feelings or emotions and then the whole thing explodes into stupidity, while our purpose is to discuss. i dont know... i tried to convince people to avoid using them the whole time. to be honest i dont mind what symbols they use, i tend to be thickskin when it comes to those things, but since some people feel the opposite way...
the little time ive been in the forum i experienced that one symbol brings an answer (usually in the form of another symbol) and then it turns to swearing..

perhaps the only fair solution would be to ban the symbols all together and then everyone would be happy.
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Postby andytandreou » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:58 pm

Sotos wrote:I am ashamed for those Greek Cypriots that support the TRNC! :x
I don't know what you mean by that statement. You are ashamed of Greek Cypriots who support the trnc..!!! Well good for you Sotos, be ashamed of whatever person you want! As for me, I'm ashamed at the attitude of some people in CF.

Try and imagine this same situation in another forum, for example an Australian forum. Would they ban the trnc flag? NO THEY WOULDN'T!!! Because it's not against any rules and it's not a symbol of hatred like the swastika. It's completely unethical to remove the flag and you people should know that.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:39 pm

I am a member of about 15 forums including american, australian, UK etc ones. In none of those forums the "TRNC" flag exists. The "TRNC" flag doesn't represent the TC community. The "TRNC" represents the ethnic cleansing that was performed against Greek Cypriots (without the ethnic cleansing no "TRNC" could have ever been declared). It is no better than the the swastika.

Andy, if you feel OK with the flag that represents ethnic cleansing and the human right violations of 100s of thousands of people then go buy a "TRNC" flag and put it on a pole outside your home so everybody will be proud of you.
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Postby bg_turk » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:55 am

The "TRNC" flag doesn't represent the TC community.

It is up to Turkish Cypriots to decide what symbols represent them and what symbols does not. If you want to become the dictator of this forum and tell us what flags we should use go ahead. While we are at it, I am a bit confused as well, can you also tell me which flag represents me best? Should I use the Bulgarian or Turkish flag?

It is no better than the swastika.

Piratis is completely justified in comparing the TRNC flag to the swastika, since the actions of the TRNC in northern cyprus are comparable to the holocaust. TRNC forced Greek Cypriots into incineration chambers, killed, gased and incinerated innocent GC children with their mothers just because of their race and made soap from their bodies, TRNC doctors used innocent GC babies in their medical experiments , TRNC kept thousands of GCs naked in labor camps and starved them to death, the TRNC flag represents an attempt to ethncially cleanse, destroy and exterminate the entire Greek Cypriot race, and therefore it should be banned. We should be very careful of not offending any of the holocaust victims of the turkish invasion in Cyprus.
Piratis please tell us what part of the flag do you associate with the swastika, is it the crecent and the star? Maybe we should not only ban the TRNC flag, let's ban evey flag which contains these symbols. I simply cannot imagine the traumatic experience for Piratis and any GC every time they have too look at that flag, please ban it.
I withdraw my request, and apologize for offending any GCs victim of the cyprocaust.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:11 am

It is up to Turkish Cypriots to decide what symbols represent them and what symbols does not. If you want to become the dictator of this forum and tell us what flags we should use go ahead. While we are at it, I am a bit confused as well, can you also tell me which flag represents me best? Should I use the Bulgarian or Turkish flag?

You can be represented by any flag you want. Here are some more to choose from: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/qt-z_sym.html
This doesn't mean others should promote or even be tolerant to racist symbols because you identify with them.

I withdraw my request, and apologize for offending any GCs victim of the cyprocaust.

This just shows the disrespect that you show to the 200.000 refugees that were forced out of their homes because of their race in order to create an ethnically pure Turkish pseudo state. Not much different than the Nazis.
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Postby bg_turk » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:23 am

Piratis wrote:This just shows the disrespect that you show to the 200.000 refugees that were forced out of their homes because of their race in order to create an ethnically pure Turkish pseudo state. Not much different than the Nazis.

No, it is not me who is showing the disrespect, it is you with your comparison of the TRNC flag with the swastika. Saying that the TRNC flag carries the symbolism of the swastika is an utterly horrendous disrespect to the millions of victims of the haulocost. Comparing your experience of being forced out of your home and discriminated against because of your ethnicity with the risk of complete extermination and annihilation that the jewish people faced during the holocaust is extremely insensitive at best.
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